PMDG sold 6000 copies of the 777 in 3 minutes

[Greggy_D]

3 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

and now based on first day sales, their 777 for MSFS did 7x better than their 737 for MSFS.

Did PMDG forget the absolute cluster bleep the 737-700 release was?  They took all their systems offline for quite a while and users could not purchase anything.  People waited until the next day or two to purchase because of all the instability and broken flow.

PMDG cannot fairly compare Day 1 numbers between the two products.  It’s disingenuous to do so.  I’d like for them to update their findings after 7 days and compare that number to the 7 day number of the 737-700. 
 

[lwt1971]

56 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

Did PMDG forget the absolute cluster bleep the 737-700 release was?  They took all their systems offline for quite a while and users could not purchase anything.  People waited until the next day or two to purchase because of all the instability and broken flow.

PMDG cannot fairly compare Day 1 numbers between the two products.  It’s disingenuous to do so.  I’d like for them to update their findings after 7 days and compare that number to the 7 day number of the 737-700. 
 

They're talking about the initial load on their e-commerce systems which brought down both the 737 purchasing then, and the 777 purchasing yesterday... comparing just those initial seconds/minutes the 777 purchases load was 7x the load of the 737 (and 6000+ in 3 minutes is crazy).

Yes of course a fuller/truer picture will only emerge after a week or more.. but going by these initial sales #s as well as what everyone is seeing in terms of the massive uptick in 777s flying on vatsim/volanta/etc since yesterday, as well as all the rave reviews etc etc.. ya I think it's pretty likely that their 777 will do better than the 737.
 

Edited June 27 by lwt1971

[UrgentSiesta]

1 hour ago, The Flight Level said:

Well, this is quite the thread. Users (not who I have quoted here) still infiltrate with words that try to downplay yet another success on the Flight Simulator platform. Zealous emotion continues to reign supreme on AVSIM!

However, reading the above quote did catch my attention, as I have raised this point often here and on other forums. We may never see the Falcon 8X in XP due to a decline in sales for Aerobask. For reasons undisclosed Thranda and Aerobask have not joined the ranks of developing for MSFS despite the resounding success stories on the platform. Several months ago, the 8X developer indicated a desire to try the pre-release method to generate revenue to continue the Falcon. Dassault, I can only assume said no to this proposal as the Falcon 8X release on the XP platform remains very uncertain.

Anyways, congrats to PMDG for what appears to be a new sales record! 

Ha ha - well said! I can't understand peeps who throw shade at other sims (especially the Davids re the Goliaths!!!). 

We have, across all sims, an absolute embarrassment of riches. Each sim (even Prepar3D!) is MUCH better than it's ever been before, and yet folks still need to trash talk. Ford vs Chevy and all that.

Tribalism (or Middle School - i'm not sure which) never gets left behind...

In re Aerobask and their Falcon, it'd just be a crying shame for that to die on the 10 yard line. I can't help but believe they'll get it released. But, will it be enough under current market conditions? I can only hope so.

In the meantime, I personally am celebrating PMDG's 777 release, and am happy Randazzo & his crew gets to laugh all the way to the bank.

My only decision is whether I want to spend for a brand new top shelf 777 in BOTH sims. 😎

[JRBarrett]

28 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

In re Aerobask and their Falcon, it'd just be a crying shame for that to die on the 10 yard line. I can't help but believe they'll get it released. But, will it be enough under current market conditions? I can only hope so.

With Working Title bringing what (I assume) will be very accurate emulation of a Honeywell Primus Epic avionics system to 2024, it would be a perfect time for Aerobask to consider bringing their Falcon project to MSFS. The Honeywell system is the heart and soul of the Falcon 8X and also the 900 and 2000 EASy variants - and would probably be the single hardest part of of the aircraft for a developer to program. WT could give them a substantial leg up.

Edited June 27 by JRBarrett

[bofhlusr]

19 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

From Randazzo in the PMDG forum:

 

So PMDG is paying over 300K USD for their cloud server, and they also sold 6000 copies of the 777 within 3 minutes. 6000 x $77.73 USD = $466,380 USD, in 3 minutes. The revenue for the PMDG 777 will probably be several million USD, if I have to guess, especially when it release on XBox (I think it may even sell over $10 million USD).

No wonder why PMDG can afford their own private jet:

 

So now PMDG has no excuse for not doing a biz jet. Specifically, the Falcon 50 (for a time my go to plane in P3D).

[Cognita]

41 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

So now PMDG has no excuse for not doing a biz jet. Specifically, the Falcon 50 (for a time my go to plane in P3D).

Honestly, I would pay three times what I paid for the 777 for a high-fidelity biz-jet!

[Bigt]

Oh yay.....another my sim vs your sim thread with all the usual suspects on both sides......FFS

[Mgard78]

19 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Yup, so true 🤣

The takeaway from those sales numbers is that there is a very strong possibility that the PMDG 777 for MSFS may turn out to be a project that sells over $10 million USD in total, when it's also released on XBox. If we are conservative, on PC alone, PMDG will sell, or probably has already sold by now, several million in USD of the 777 on PC alone.

Now I think I am being conservative when I say PMDG will sell several million in USD of the 777 (it probably has sold that already).  Because if they can sell some $466K USD in 3 minutes of sales, you think of those numbers, even with sales dropping after the first day, and that's the type of sales that is capable of reaching $10 million USD in total sales, especially when we throw in the XBox market which will come later.

When was the last time in flight simulation, an add-on made over $10 million USD in sales?  Well, I don't know of an add-on that can make $10 million USD in sales. But certainly this add-on has the capability of making $10 million USD in sales, when the sales are counted from XBox as well.

So... When it is released on Xbox, do ppl that already purchased through marketplace automatically get the xbox version too? Or only if you purchase when it's out already?

(Again, talking about marketplace, not vendor site). 

Edited June 27 by Mgard78

[ca_metal]

11 minutes ago, Mgard78 said:

So... When it is released on xbox. Do ppl that already purchase through marketplace automatically get the xbox version too? Or onky if you purchase when it's out already?

(Agaon, talking about marketpqlce, not vendor site). 

If your pc version is the Microsoft Store Version, yes. The Steam store Marketplace is separated.

[ca_metal]

1 hour ago, bofhlusr said:

So now PMDG has no excuse for not doing a biz jet. Specifically, the Falcon 50 (for a time my go to plane in P3D).

I would like an Embraer made by PMDG, a Phenom or a Legacy would be great.

Edited June 27 by ca_metal

[WolverineHusky]

PMDG's numbers are impressive, and clearly the founders are making good money.

With that said, it took them years to develop the 777 and probably cleared millions in operating expenses.  Also don't forget the tax man gonna take 30%+ of the net income.

I'm a small business owner and the company I founded cleared about $30 million in 10 years.  But I have a mortgage like everyone else, live in an expensive city (Seattle), bills, and am pretty much upper middle class if that.  I have business partners (so I don't get all the profits - just 37.5% - my cut - which used to be 50% but we added partners).  Taxes no joke.  Payroll no joke. Heck, last year one of my employees made more money than I did lol, and I hired her and she wasn't even a partner.

PMDG is a profitable and well run small business. But it ain't Amazon and the head guys aren't Bezos.

Very happy for their success though.  Good for the flight sim community.

[Inu]

19 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Wake me up when the competition to MSFS has an add-on over $70 USD that sells 6000 copies in 3 minutes 🤣

 

19 hours ago, Krakin said:

And going by who liked that silly comment, you can tell how salty they are lol. If it was the other way around, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. They do it for every little graphical upgrade they get lol.

 

18 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Yup, so true 🤣

The takeaway from those sales numbers is that there is a very strong possibility that the PMDG 777 for MSFS may turn out to be a project that sells over $10 million USD in total, when it's also released on XBox. If we are conservative, on PC alone, PMDG will sell, or probably has already sold by now, several million in USD of the 777 on PC alone.

Now I think I am being conservative when I say PMDG will sell several million in USD of the 777 (it probably has sold that already).  Because if they can sell some $466K USD in 3 minutes of sales, you think of those numbers, even with sales dropping after the first day, and that's the type of sales that is capable of reaching $10 million USD in total sales, especially when we throw in the XBox market which will come later.

When was the last time in flight simulation, an add-on made over $10 million USD in sales?  Well, I don't know of an add-on that can make $10 million USD in sales. But certainly this add-on has the capability of making $10 million USD in sales, when the sales are counted from XBox as well.

 

14 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I can't imagine what developers for other sims are thinking now, after reading this,.

Judging by these comments, I think the sole intention of this thread is simply put the exact attitude shown in those quoted comments above, under the "We are only discussing flight simulation sales" excuse that undermines one's intelligence, otherwise I seriously fail to see the motives behind this discussion and those kind of comments coming from even the OP himself who clearly is leading towards this sub-level of discussions.

In all honesty, these kind of threads and attitude around here in general seriously makes me reconsider why I ever visit this forum.

Just my 2 cents, mainly for moderators around here, no wonder I saw so many developers ridiculing the level of avsim discussions, in recent years, from both platforms alike.

Edited June 27 by Inu

[Mgard78]

2 hours ago, ca_metal said:

If your pc version is the Microsoft Store Version, yes. The Steam store Marketplace is separated.

Yep. Should have clarified but yes, MS store-bought. 

[Franz007]

7 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Ummm sure ok? Whatever you say sport.. seems like in addition to being an expert on how PMDG is really doing and flight sim market dynamics, you also know who my "friends" are, and are clairvoyant enough to know how good I know them and what they're doing. To what do we owe this honour of keen insights and knowledge you give us?
 

Read your statement again and tell me if you think it’s an appropriate answer to me simply asking for a comparison with P3D’s sales? I was asking exactly because I don’t know about those. And second part is pretty funny. Sounds like you are a bit desperate that your comment you made applies exactly the other way around as well. Of course you will never admit it. Pretty funny.

[Franz007]

8 hours ago, ca_metal said:

Marketplace presentation, Randazzo's insights, inibuilds insights. 

Believe it or not, those are the numbers. 

inibuilds didn’t produced anything for the P3D-plattform. If you still don’t understand my question just leave it there. It’s ok, I was just wondering. Am seriously questionning why you had to play around that simple question without giving a substantial info. I get it now: we simply don’t know those numbers and that’s ok, don’t feel forced to answer anything else or feel attacked by a simple question (perhaps I should add that I have always be a fan of PMDG and have no doubt that they will have a big success in MSFS).