PMDG sold 6000 copies of the 777 in 3 minutes

[ca_metal]

3 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

inibuilds didn’t produced anything for the P3D-plattform. If you still don’t understand my question just leave it there. It’s ok, I was just wondering. Am seriously questionning why you had to play around that simple question without giving a substantial info. I get it now: we simply don’t know those numbers and that’s ok, don’t feel forced to answer anything else or feel attacked by a simple question (perhaps I should add that I have always be a fan of PMDG and have no doubt that they will have a big success in MSFS).

The numbers are there, several sources stating the MSFS market is huge. The MSFS numbers are officially provided by Microsoft sources, the other sims numbers are projections. Again, if you want official numbers about the other sims you would have to ask Laminar and Lockheed, not me. Again, and I hope this time you understand, THE MSFS NUMBERS ARE OFFICIALLY PROVIDED BY MICROSOFT. 

[Franz007]

8 hours ago, SAS443 said:

Yet it was you who were called out in public by a moderator for aggressive behavior?  🤡 

Are you triggered by the presence of other peoples opinions? Was there even a reason to act so emotionally, Franz? 

Let’s put it this way: it can make me react when someone misses the point or tries to argue with ad hominem arguments again and again. A good example is your exact answer here; perhaps you can explain me what this has to do with the fact that lwt’s remark goes both ways? And now realizing that, your only reaction is to explain it away ad hominem? But it is how it is right? Only you can change your behaviour, not me 😊

[Franz007]

1 minute ago, ca_metal said:

The numbers are there, several sources stating the MSFS market is huge. The MSFS numbers are officially provided by Microsoft sources, the other sims numbers are projections. Again, if you want official numbers about the other sims you would have to ask Laminar and Lockheed, not me. Again, and I hope this time you understand, THE MSFS NUMBERS ARE OFFICIALLY PROVIDED BY MICROSOFT. 

Still missing the point. Pretty entirely this time. Will you double down once more? Please, only for a last time 😉

[lwt1971]

13 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

 Sounds like you are a bit desperate that your comment you made applies exactly the other way around as well.

You mentioning "desperate" is the height of irony 😂 ... Have no clue what you're on about  and nor do I care. Re: the actual topic of discussion here, i.e. PMDG's success with MSFS, what I said last here https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/645878-pmdg-sold-6000-copies-of-the-777-in-3-minutes/?do=findComment&comment=5118523 and what various others are also trying to tell you is all there to read and comprehend. Perhaps try re-reading a bit slower this time and that might actually clue you in? Otherwise well, keep doing you 🙂 
 

[ca_metal]

1 minute ago, Franz007 said:

Still missing the point. Pretty entirely this time. Will you double down once more? Please, only for a last time 😉

I think you are having a hard time with the numbers. I will try to simplify for you: MSFS is the number one, simulator with the largest base ever. Source: Sales numbers and official numbers.

[F737MAX]

2 hours ago, WolverineHusky said:

With that said, it took them years to develop the 777 and probably cleared millions in operating expenses.

True to a point.

It took PMDG years to develop their 777 because (according to Mathijs) there was a commercial project being worked on between the releases of the 737 and 777.

With that in mind, I think they're OK financially.

[abrams_tank]

11 hours ago, Franz007 said:

So yes, it will be interesting to compare those numbers once a good comparison-base can be made with FSX/P3D. We cannot really put that number of 6000 copies in a context for now. Perhaps they had sold 4000 copies in 3 min for FSX/P3D? We don‘t know. Or are the comparisons known?

While it's not the 737 or 777, Randazzo from PMDG did state that the sales of DC6 in MSFS outsold all the DC6 lifetime sales in FSX, P3D, and XP, within hours of the DC6 release for MSFS: https://youtu.be/qKadQrREujM?t=557.

So I highly doubt PMDG sold 4000 copies of the 777 in 3 minutes for FSX or P3D, if what Randazzo is reporting for the DC6 sales of MSFS to be true.  I mean, think of it. You spend years selling the DC6 for FSX, P3D, and XP.  And then within hours of releasing the DC6 for MSFS, you outsell the lifetime sales of the DC6 you made for FSX + P3D + XP. Do you really think PMDG sold 4000 copies for the 777 for FSX or P3D when their DC6 sales in FSX and P3D was so much lower than MSFS?

Edited June 27 by abrams_tank

[abrams_tank]

8 hours ago, The Flight Level said:

However, reading the above quote did catch my attention, as I have raised this point often here and on other forums. We may never see the Falcon 8X in XP due to a decline in sales for Aerobask. For reasons undisclosed Thranda and Aerobask have not joined the ranks of developing for MSFS despite the resounding success stories on the platform.

  Regarding Thranda, I read a few quotes by danklaue (Dan Klaue?) from Thranda about their recent sales:

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But right now, the market is very difficult... 4 years ago, when we first sold the PC6, there was only one other Thranda plane on the market: the Kodiak.  The PC6 sold quite well... we got to "X" number of sales in the first month.  4 years later, in December 2023, we did a sale, for almost the whole month, of ALL of Thranda's planes, which by then was a fleet of 10 planes.  We didn't even get to "X" number of sales (the amount we got with a single plane 4 years ago), not even with a significant discount on all our products.

Danklaue further explains how MSFS is impacting XP sales:

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Yeah, I’m also sorry to hear you say that.  The reality is, that the BAe146 cost Thranda around 8 months to make.  Those are 8 months in that multiple salaries had to be paid out… more than what we have nowadays, as we’ve had to shrink our team a bit.  We had roughly calculated the amount of copies we would have to sell to recoup that initial investment.  That was over 3 years ago.  We have not yet reached the amount of sales required to recoup the initial investment.  

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It was a wonderful project, we learned a lot, but it was published at a time, it seems, where MSFS2020 had just hit the market, and drove X-Plane sales down across the board.  

The above two comments are from May. This is what danklaue had to say in June :

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Well, we had a rough time with the BAe146... we haven't really sold enough to pay off the initial investment.  It was a huge deal to build, and in the end, if it doesn't perform well enough to cover costs, then it doesn't seem to be such a good bet to continue investing in.  We assessed the F28 in roughly the same way.  

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It´s not really your fault (you end-users').  A big part of what cut into our plans seems to be the launch of MSFS2020 four years ago, and I bet we would have been fine if X-Plane had continued to be the main game in town.  And it is, in a sense, a downward spiral that is very difficult to stay afloat on, because less sales also means, less resources to continue future production with, and less ability to take risks, especially with big planes.

Seems like tough times for Thranda, I wish them the best of luck. But MSFS 2020 is a juggernaut, and MSFS 2024 will likely increase the competition even further.

 

Edited June 27 by abrams_tank

[Inu]

16 hours ago, ca_metal said:

It goes both ways, actually. And that's not true, developers can be really salty. They are creating this enviroment themselves. 

That said, I hope it changes in the future.

FWIW, the only salty comments I see around this thread are the ones trying to clearly provoke 3rd parties from other simulators, it's simply the OP's objective here, period. Clear as crystal.

Otherwise, I fail to find any reasoning for him to "worry" about 3rd parties from other simulators in an MSFS forums in a an alleged PMDG sales discussion.

Clearly, there is LOTS of hatred among some childish folks around here towards other simulators 3rd parties, or anyone who does not conform with the narratives they try to set.

I really can't emphasize more how ridiculous this community around here in avsim looks in an objective non-biased eye, heck, even known MSFS developers are mocking this community these days, no wonder so few 3rd parties are even around here anymore, from any simulator.

Edited June 27 by Inu

[SAS443]

3 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Let’s put it this way: it can make me react when someone misses the point or tries to argue with ad hominem arguments again and again

But you're the one accusing others of not having "ability" to understand in an aggressive manner. Which is as "ad hominem" as it gets. 

Never stop Franz. 🤡

 

[Juliett Alfa Romeo]

I think that at this point we shouldn't be talking about (or even "attacking") the competition. What competition? they're different platforms aimed for different users.

In the days of FSX and P3D, I never saw this in relation to X-Plane.

[Franz007]

4 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

You mentioning "desperate" is the height of irony 😂 ... Have no clue what you're on about  and nor do I care. Re: the actual topic of discussion here, i.e. PMDG's success with MSFS, what I said last here https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/645878-pmdg-sold-6000-copies-of-the-777-in-3-minutes/?do=findComment&comment=5118523 and what various others are also trying to tell you is all there to read and comprehend. Perhaps try re-reading a bit slower this time and that might actually clue you in? Otherwise well, keep doing you 🙂 
 

Ad hominem arguments won’t help. Your reaction shows that you have nothing to add to the fact that your critic applies the other way around in a same way. Not sure what that comment changes to those facts.

[Franz007]

4 hours ago, ca_metal said:

I think you are having a hard time with the numbers. I will try to simplify for you: MSFS is the number one, simulator with the largest base ever. Source: Sales numbers and official numbers.

You’re having a hard time with understanding. I willtry to simplifly for you: that was not the point 🤦‍♂️

[F737MAX]

Reddit user suggests that their 777 order number was ~592,000 on release day. Another one replied to the comment (posted 10 hours ago) that their order number is ~611,000.

That means approximately 20,000 purchases ($1.55m revenue) in just over 24 hours. https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1dp33et/comment/lafk74z

[St Mawgan]

Who is this Ad Hominem? Does he work at PMDG?