June 26, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Franz007 said: The only thing I was asking is if we had some kind of comparisons beetween both? So based on your reaction I will interpret it with: « no we don’t ». That was all I was asking. Incorrect, we do have what PMDG themselves have said... here, let's make it real simple if that helps you comprehend: PMDG's 737 for MSFS did much better than their 737 for P3D (*overall*, not just during the time of MSFS) ... and now based on first day sales, their 777 for MSFS did 7x better than their 737 for MSFS. So using some basic transitive logic, we have an overall sense of comparison from one developer, who has developed for multiple sim platforms. If you demand more detailed numbers to believe what they're saying, then like I said above you likely don't believe anything they say unless raw evidence of sales over their history is available. But then again, if one uses some additional basic logic and considers *all* the other factors out there that measure and/or give a sense of the overall sim market as it is today, and how it has morphed ever since 2020, some basic facts begin to become clear. Edited June 26, 20241 yr by lwt1971 Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
June 26, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, ca_metal said: And, also, not just Randazzo's words, we just had a half an hour presentation about the Marketplace. The numbers are impressive. It's not just PMDG. You are mixing up two very distinct things: P3D during its primetime when the PMDG777 was released and nowadays market situation. Two completely different situations. How can you not understand that? Seriously? i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
June 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Franz007 said: We were speaking about the number of sales for P3D vs MSFS. This 1000x bigger market mentionned by PMDG must very likely be related to nowadays market and not on the one during the whole lifetime of P3D. So someone mentionned this source out of context. No, it was accurate back then, It's been years since he said that. Now P3D is pretty much dead, and I was I said, those numbers are even higher now. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Franz007 said: You are mixing up two very distinct things: P3D during its primetime when the PMDG777 was released and nowadays market situation. Two completely different situations. How can you not understand that? Seriously? I think you are mixing up things, Randazzo said a few years ago MSFS market was 1000x larger than P3D's. It was, I think 2022. He was comparing 2022 P3D numbers with 2022 MSFS numbers. In P3D's prime time in probably had 100k users, about 100x smaller than MSFS. And no, I don't have the metrics, you will fin them looking around for people more versed on those numbers. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: and now based on first day sales, their 777 for MSFS did 7x better than their 737 for MSFS. Thanks. That was exactly what I was asking for. My goodness, the comedy that was needed to answer that simple question. The endless drama here is always entertaining.. i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
June 26, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, ca_metal said: No, it was accurate back then, It's been years since he said that. Now P3D is pretty much dead, and I was I said, those numbers are even higher now. You keep believing that P3D (one of the two most used sim back then) had a userbase of only 15’000 back then? Meaning same as today? Can I ask you: what have you smoked? i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
June 26, 20241 yr Jokes on you. 🤣 It's always about the attitude (even for aviation). 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, ca_metal said: In P3D's prime time in probably had 100k users, about 100x smaller than MSFS. Talking about mixing up things…I am happy that you finally got it. Of course « back then » meant when the 777 had been released, that was way before 2022. i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
June 26, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, ca_metal said: Yeah, very new. 25+ years in the hobby. 🤣 P.S.: I'm a former X-Planer (v9, v10, v11). I know its flaws and made an informed choice. Well ... have a look into my videos (link in my signature). I have shown the superiority of X-Plane and the flaws of MSFS in regards of FLIGHT simulation *. Videos don't lie ... I made an informed choice 😄. However, who started to compare? It is always the MSFS gate.keepers (I will not mention any names). So, please don't complain. This is still a thread about the PMDG 777 - mind you ... * Although I'm not as long in flight simualtion as you - but some people seem to learn faster than others 😄. Good night 🕛🌓. Still ... very entertaining ... this thread ... thank you soooo much 🤣. Watch my YT-channel: https://www.youtube.com/@flyingcarpet1340/ Customer of X-Plane, Aerofly, Flightgear, MSFS.
June 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Franz007 said: You keep believing that P3D (one of the two most used sim back then) had a userbase of only 15’000 back then? Meaning same as today? Can I ask you: what have you smoked? I just said people more versed in the numbers believe it had 100k users in it's prime time. And yeah, I believe them. Today the P3D user base is barely zero (domestic users). Prime time (P3D) vs Prime time (MSFS) MSFS wipes the floor for sure. It always have. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr Comparing any current flight sim in any context to MSFS is like comparing the Wright flyer to the Saturn V IMO. sp
June 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, flying_carpet said: Well ... have a look into my videos (link in my signature). I have shown the superiority of X-Plane and the flaws of MSFS in regards of FLIGHT simulation *. Videos don't lie ... I made an informed choice 😄. However, who started to compare? It is always the MSFS gate.keepers (I will not mention any names). So, please don't complain. This is still a thread about the PMDG 777 - mind you ... * Although I'm not as long in flight simualtion as you - but some people seem to learn faster than others 😄. Good night 🕛🌓. Still ... very entertaining ... this thread ... thank you soooo much 🤣. I can test both myself, and get my own assessments, but thanks for the sugestion. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr Just now, Sky_Pilot071 said: Comparing any current flight sim in any context to MSFS is like comparing the Wright flyer to the Saturn V IMO. sp This. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
June 26, 20241 yr Just phantasizing : If they sold 6000copies in 3 minutes , that would be 120000 copies in 1h and in 3h 360000 copies How many serious flightsimmers does MSFS have ? Wasn’t it 10 million players incl XBox. Lets say half of them are pc users : 5 million. So 1 out of 13-14 pc users has bought it. If sales continue for a few days then almost everyone will purchase the 777… Mmmmm… 5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 - MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Corsair 5400 case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set - 3x 75’ TCL tv. 13600 6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - FOV : 200 degrees My flightsim vids : https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0
June 26, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, flying_carpet said: Well ... have a look into my videos (link in my signature). I have shown the superiority of X-Plane and the flaws of MSFS in regards of FLIGHT simulation *. Videos don't lie ... I made an informed choice 😄. However, who started to compare? It is always the MSFS gate.keepers (I will not mention any names). So, please don't complain. This is still a thread about the PMDG 777 - mind you ... * Although I'm not as long in flight simualtion as you - but some people seem to learn faster than others 😄. Good night 🕛🌓. Still ... very entertaining ... this thread ... thank you soooo much 🤣. X Plane was OK back in the day. So were TVs with CRTS.. Those days are gone forever.
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