Well...64Gb here we come! 

While MSFS loaded to the point of me hitting Fly in the main screen w/ KLAX > KSFO loaded in the PMDG 738 it CTD right before it would normally have launched to the departure gate.  Windows warned when turning the page file off it could not store data related to what a particular issue like a CTD would be attributed to, or something along those lines is what I think it said, and said it needed a minimum of 800mb to deal with that, so I did a custom size of 800 just for fun and error messages would pop up at some point after hitting Fly.

Cost is good, and evidence strong enough to support upgrading.  I have long since figured the few stutters I get are good enough but what the hey zero would be better for sure.

Cheers n thanks

7 minutes ago, Noel said:

Well...64Gb here we come! 

While MSFS loaded to the point of me hitting Fly in the main screen w/ KLAX > KSFO loaded in the PMDG 738 it CTD right before it would normally have launched to the departure gate.  Windows warned when turning the page file off it could not store data related to what a particular issue like a CTD would be attributed to, or something along those lines is what I think it said, and said it needed a minimum of 800mb to deal with that, so I did a custom size of 800 just for fun and error messages would pop up at some point after hitting Fly.

Cost is good, and evidence strong enough to support upgrading.  I have long since figured the few stutters I get are good enough but what the hey zero would be better for sure.

Cheers n thanks

Probably won't be entirely zero stutters, but it will be close to it. You should get rid of those massive stutters that were the most annoying. 

12 minutes ago, RNAVV19R said:

Probably won't be entirely zero stutters, but it will be close to it. You should get rid of those massive stutters that were the most annoying. 

I haven't had massive stutters/pauses for ages and right now frequently have very few already, so I may well get rid of those remaining few.  I have NVMe drive in play FWIW as well.  

Not sure if it would be better, how much better (in terms of compatibility/stability in this MSI board) if at all, to add two more 16gb, or remove the 2 16gb and pick up 2x 32gb DIMMS.

Edited October 5, 20241 yr by Noel

31 minutes ago, Noel said:

I haven't had massive stutters/pauses for ages and right now frequently have very few already, so I may well get rid of those remaining few.  I have NVMe drive in play FWIW as well.  

Not sure if it would be better, how much better (in terms of compatibility/stability in this MSI board) if at all, to add two more 16gb, or remove the 2 16gb and pick up 2x 32gb DIMMS.

I will go for 2x32 and sell my 2x16, I have read many threads on Reddit about memory problems with 4X16 sticks on AM5 motherboards, 2 Dimms operate faster than 4 from what I understand, so upgrading to 4X16 will give you more capacity but slower handling than 2X16, so it seems like a bad option.

Edited October 5, 20241 yr by Ixoye

Remember every MB maker has QVL lists online to search for tested and approved RAM for your exact MB number. There will be lots of RAM choices for your MB on that list.

8 minutes ago, Fielder said:

Remember every MB maker has QVL lists online to search for tested and approved RAM for your exact MB number. There will be lots of RAM choices for your MB on that list.

Yes this is important, I saw that the Dimm's I'm using now are updated, but the new updated ones are also on the QVL list for my motherboard, I thought I'll update my bios to the latest version before I replace the Dimm's so that the bios is at default state at first boot.

2 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I thought I'll update my bios to the latest version before I replace the Dimm's so that the bios is at default state at first boot.

Yes, exactly what I did first. 

 

3 hours ago, Noel said:

Not sure if it would be better, how much better (in terms of compatibility/stability in this MSI board) if at all, to add two more 16gb, or remove the 2 16gb and pick up 2x 32gb DIMMS.

You could get away with 4x16, but if you want the best speed and timings, get a new set of 2x32. Definitely with the AM5 platform. 

Captain Obvious writes.

The risk of not buying RAM now is that it might jump up 20% in price later.

The risk of buying RAM now is that a simulation is unlikely to ever need 64 GB and you will have lost 100% of the price spent and received but little in return.

 

16 minutes ago, Fielder said:

The risk of not buying RAM now....

....is that you won't benefit from the benefits now in MSFS 2020, being reduction in the perception of stuttering possibly thru reduction in use of the page file component of Windows memory management....

4 hours ago, Ixoye said:

I thought I'll update my bios to the latest version before I replace the Dimm's so that the bios is at default state at first boot.

I always avoid updating BIOS unless there is a known issue to address.  Are you thinking whatever is on the QVL list today reflects tested modules w/ the latest BIOS?  I think I'll just try booting first, simple enough, and if unable to boot do the BIOS update.  The thing is with this MSI B650 board it's known to take FOREVER to boot the first time or two as it's deciding if it can get along well w/ the DIMMS installed.  So have to boot and then come back a half hour later...or more!  Never had that w/ Intel boards.  But, it's been rock stable w/ the 2x16Gb DIMMS installed now and the ones I just bought are of the same brand at least and are on the QVL for this board specific model so hopefully it will go well.

1 hour ago, Fielder said:

Captain Obvious writes

Wow, thanks for that! 🤣

1 hour ago, Fielder said:

The risk of not buying RAM now is that it might jump up 20% in price later.

The risk of buying RAM now is that a simulation is unlikely to ever need 64 GB and you will have lost 100% of the price spent and received but little in return.

Isn't that always the pickle we're in though? Buy now while it's relatively cheap, or wait and see?

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett

29 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Isn't that always the pickle we're in though? Buy now while it's relatively cheap, or wait and see?

Or buy now instead of in November, when it becomes time to be buying Christmas presents for others.....

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by fppilot

Could the developers be alluding to Direct Storage,  NVME drives and DX12 to utilize greater amounts of RAM and cloud-based technology? 

It would be interesting to test DX11 vs DX12 when the new sim arrives to see what happens without pagefile and how close to 64GB it gets as it's presently known to exceed 32GB now in some scenarios.

 

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by 40track