Watched a couple of videos on FSHud, looks like it has many more features than BATC. I find that BATC is pretty limited in it's capabilities, to the point where I don't even use it anymore. Now that FShud is seeing a performance improvement with V2, looks like I might be buying it once V2 is officially released. .

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

It's superb.  Just done an approach into LEPA from EDDL. SIDS, STARS, vectoring, separation, perfectly executed by FSHud, three of us, separated with speed, the app running on my tablet, voice accents (more to come).  Diverse and plentiful traffic, taxi maps, decent frames.  For me we have a winner in the Battle of the ATCs.  The best thing about it, is that it pretty much always works.  You aren't getting to your destination wondering if you are going to have to take matters into your own hands.  You just program the FMS, fly the aircraft, and follow the ATC.  

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by Langeveldt

I first subscribed to SayIntentions. I really enjoyed it, but found it too pricey (at the time, before the price drop). I then bought BATC to try it out, but of all the three, that one lasted the shortest. Mostly because it just doesn't understand my accent for simple things like Fife & Niner, which it still consistently gets wrong.

I then bought FSHud 1.3 out of frustration, and found it, for IFR at least, to be really very good. The traffic injection was also good, but I did notice some performance issues with it.

I went back to SayIntentions afterwards again, and find it to be very enjoyable and immersive, but it does still get a lot of things wrong. FSHud meanwhile—aside from forcing me to to adhere to SID altitude limits every time, or not allowing me to use specific SIDS that would be perfectly acceptable in real life—is my go-to for airline ops, and I haven't even upgraded to the v2 alpha yet. It was already very good, and from what I read in the discord, the new version knocks it out of the park!

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Edited September 24, 20241 yr by mistolip

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

For me, Ctrl-Tab is working. 

Officially and by default it's Ctrl-` (the key with the tilde). I did notice that this shortcut only works once a flight is started (you need the old UI to start a flight) and, important in my case, once you dragged the old UI into another position. Bit odd, but he, it's alpha. The old UI be gone in a while anyway.

1 hour ago, Langeveldt said:

It's superb.  Just done an approach into LEPA from EDDL. SIDS, STARS, vectoring, separation, perfectly executed by FSHud, three of us, separated with speed, the app running on my tablet, voice accents (more to come).  Diverse and plentiful traffic, taxi maps, decent frames.  For me we have a winner in the Battle of the ATCs.  The best thing about it, is that it pretty much always works.  You aren't getting to your destination wondering if you are going to have to take matters into your own hands.  You just program the FMS, fly the aircraft, and follow the ATC.  

I agree with all you say. There are two things that need improving though imho:

1. initial altitude is often odd (like taking off from EHAM you'd expect an initial alt if FL060 but it was FL 210 right away.

2. The radar control station often have wrong names (Bodo in Norway should be Polaris) or are simply wrong (Marseille while flying over Belgium...)

But other than that this alpha is superb. And reliable.

If there is a better voice recognition ATC software that is significantly better than BeyondATC and doesn't require a monthly subscription, I would consider buying that and using it instead of BeyondATC. But it would have to be significantly better, not marginally better, because I already own BeyondATC.

Regarding this version of FSHud, how does the voice recognition and voice commands in this version of FSHud compare to BeyondATC? And what about the ATC instructions in FSHud given to you after you input your voice commands? My understanding is, BeyondATC doesn't understand as many voice instructions as SayIntentions.AI does, but it understands enough, if you stick to proper ATC phraseology.  How does this aspect of BeyondATC compare to FSHud?

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

30 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

If there is a better voice recognition ATC software that is significantly better than BeyondATC and doesn't require a monthly subscription, I would consider buying that and using it instead of BeyondATC. But it would have to be significantly better, not marginally better, because I already own BeyondATC.

Regarding this version of FSHud, how does the voice recognition and voice commands in this version of FSHud compare to BeyondATC? And what about the ATC instructions in FSHud given to you after you input your voice commands? My understanding is, BeyondATC doesn't understand as many voice instructions as SayIntentions.AI does, but it understands enough, if you stick to proper ATC phraseology.  How does this aspect of BeyondATC compare to FSHud?

BATC uses AI for voice recognition and then looks into the processed (= recognized) text for specific keywords (e.g. an altitude and the callsign while announcing on a new frequency). Anything else can be added as wanted and will not disturb this process (e.g. "A very good morning Denver center, this is Southwest twenty-seven forty-six, flight level 250, 20 miles south of Denver VOR").
This is pretty immersive as it allows users to speak normally like on Vatsim. This wasn't possible with classic voice recognition (which works through Windows) e.g. in P2ATC, where it would already refuse to understand me if I only added a "good morning" or an "uuh".

No idea about FSHud.

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Did you let FSHud create the firewall rule? 

I've been never offered this option. I'll try reinstalling today. It may also help with my hotkey issue.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

If there is a better voice recognition ATC software that is significantly better than BeyondATC and doesn't require a monthly subscription, I would consider buying that and using it instead of BeyondATC. But it would have to be significantly better, not marginally better, because I already own BeyondATC.

Regarding this version of FSHud, how does the voice recognition and voice commands in this version of FSHud compare to BeyondATC? And what about the ATC instructions in FSHud given to you after you input your voice commands? My understanding is, BeyondATC doesn't understand as many voice instructions as SayIntentions.AI does, but it understands enough, if you stick to proper ATC phraseology.  How does this aspect of BeyondATC compare to FSHud?

I've managed to stutter, correct myself, and be understood.  I've also said things in different order and not in the correct way.  But as far as i know, you have to say something along the lines as what is suggested in order to be understood.  I've turned voice recognition off now anyway.  Not a job for pilot flying and it has a very capable copilot.  

17 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

I've managed to stutter, correct myself, and be understood.  I've also said things in different order and not in the correct way.  But as far as i know, you have to say something along the lines as what is suggested in order to be understood.  I've turned voice recognition off now anyway.  Not a job for pilot flying and it has a very capable copilot.  

I experienced the same. Talking to ATC is appealing for a while but it soon gets old, then I realize that it is unrealistic anyway in an airliner for the pilot flying to handle ATC and I turn on the autoresponding co-pilot and don't bother with voice recognition any more. Has been that way with every ATC software I have ever used. It's nice though that you now have both options with FSHud and I will surely experiment a little with the voice recognition in the before-takeoff-phases of my flights.

 

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by RALF9636

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Edited September 24, 20241 yr by RALF9636

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Watched a couple of videos on FSHud, looks like it has many more features than BATC. I find that BATC is pretty limited in it's capabilities, to the point where I don't even use it anymore. Now that FShud is seeing a performance improvement with V2, looks like I might be buying it once V2 is officially released. .

I've been a little busy with work, but as soon as I have some time, I have to try it out.

I predict MSFS 2024 will be released before v2 is officially released.

I tried to install it but was unable to login to their beta web page. Flight 1 and FSHud security measures are among the least pleasing in the industry to me. Not a big deal, I'll wait until it is officially released and use something else until then.

Peter

2 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

I experienced the same. Talking to ATC is appealing for a while but it soon gets old, then I realize that it is unrealistic anyway in an airliner for the pilot flying to handle ATC and I turn on the autoresponding co-pilot and don't bother with voice recognition any more. Has been that way with every ATC software I have ever used. It's nice though that you now have both options with FSHud and I will surely experiment a little with the voice recognition in the before-takeoff-phases of my flights.

 

Been using PC ATC for years and years, never liked voice-controlled, always used button control