https://discord.com/channels/535246634448191499/535249224254619648/1287695596882497567 (for those who are already members in the server)

Current target is still to release it before the end of the year however. So sometime between November 19th and December 31st if it doesn't slip.

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

2 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

https://discord.com/channels/535246634448191499/535249224254619648/1287695596882497567 (for those who are already members in the server)

Current plan is still to release it before the end of the year however

Honestly, that's almost what I thought !!

cheers 😉

Does this mean that the previous development progress of 350 in msfs2020 was fake? Isn't 350 developed based on msfs2020, but now it tells us that it does not support msfs2020? ! Are you kidding me?

9 minutes ago, ljk811 said:

Does this mean that the previous development progress of 350 in msfs2020 was fake?

No.

As the image I posted says, they'll release more info over the coming weeks, I imagine that will include an explanation why.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they don't want to maintain two separate versions of the aircraft.

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

Whaaaaat!?

shame ! but it is what it is 

Ya totally what I was expecting given their timeline for release at end of year. iniBuilds unlike other devs have also had earlier access to the MSFS 2024 SDK given their work on its default fleet.

But this raises an interesting question, going forward, will 3rd party devs only release 2024 versions of aircraft after November? (i.e. aircraft which take advantage of new features in 2024)? Most likely yes.. not sure how feasible it'd be for them to maintain two codebases for their aircraft.
 

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by lwt1971

I have no problem with this decision as I'll buy it for version 2024, that's fine. But I do have some conspiracy theories. 

Inibuilds have had an advanced copy of 2024 for some time (allegedly) as they've been developing default airplanes for the new sim. So they can see something we can't in terms of what the new sim will provide for aircraft development that 2020 does not.

Also it could be a decision through their collaboration with Asobo/Microsoft. This A350 will sell VERY well in my opinion. Microsoft could be pushing hard for the A350 to be exclusive to 2024 to sell more copies of the new sim. These are my thoughts and just to be taken lightly and only as a possibility. But in the end, the only people who know the truth to this decision are Ini and maybe Microsoft. 

I think this is bad move by iniBuilds.  In theory they should be pretty much backwards compatible as is.  However the more we learn about FS2024 this is looking less likely to be the case.

Also as mentioned above iniBuilds is working with Asobo on the A330 so they have advanced knowledge on the inner workings of FS2024.

It's not just iniBuilds but PMDG has recently mentioned that depending on the amount of rework needed an upgrade charge may occur.  Originally it was mentioned that they would be upgraded free of charge back when that subject was a hot potato!

Despite the new eye candy in FS2024 it's going to be a huge can of worms.  Right during a fragile time when lots of new projects are about to be introduced.  

I don't have an answer and I guess these days they call it progress.  However I think we will be seeing many delays in development!

i think the serious simmer who's looking for the A350 is going to 2024 anyway , and that's probably 99% of us on here i would imagine

34 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

I think this is bad move by iniBuilds.  In theory they should be pretty much backwards compatible as is.  However the more we learn about FS2024 this is looking less likely to be the case.

Also as mentioned above iniBuilds is working with Asobo on the A330 so they have advanced knowledge on the inner workings of FS2024.

It's not just iniBuilds but PMDG has recently mentioned that depending on the amount of rework needed an upgrade charge may occur.  Originally it was mentioned that they would be upgraded free of charge back when that subject was a hot potato!

Despite the new eye candy in FS2024 it's going to be a huge can of worms.  Right during a fragile time when lots of new projects are about to be introduced.  

Well, it is as it is with most new platforms vs older platforms.. in order to take advantage of new features/capabilities an add-on then very likely becomes not backward compatible with an older platform. I wouldn't want new add-ons to *not* take advantage of the new MSFS 2024 features just in order to be backward compatible with MSFS 2020.

And if MSFS 2024 changes were only eye candy then ironically this would not be a problem, but due to new capabilities in aircraft development and flight model development aircraft devs are going to have to make choices:
a) Maintain two codebases where one is for 2020 and the other is for 2024 which takes advantage of 2024-only capabilities
b) Only develop new aircraft for 2024 taking advantage of 2024 features
c) Not take advantage of 2024 features and maintain one codebase for the aircraft that will work with both 2020 and 2024

IMO, I'd rather aircraft devs do a) or b)

Also re: PMDG, there are two classes of updates here.. the minimal or no updates required to get existing 2020 aircraft working *as-is* in MSFS 2024, then the more substantial work required to take advantage of new features in 2024. Sounds like PMDG is not making guarantees that the latter kind of upgrade would be free (which is to be expected). If they are going to charge just for making 2020 aircraft work as-is in 2024, then that's a rather poor business decision I'd say. Can you link to where they said this? All I've seen them (Mathijs) post re: 2024 are these:
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/328544-fs2024
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/328845-transitioning-from-2020-to-2024?p=328922#post328922
 

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by lwt1971

23 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Also re: PMDG, there are two classes of updates here.. the minimal or no updates required to get existing 2020 aircraft working *as-is* in MSFS 2024, then the most substantial work required to take advantage of new features in 2024. Sounds like PMDG is not making guarantees that the latter kind of upgrade would be free (which is to be expected). If they are going to charge just for making 2020 aircraft work as-is in 2024, then that's a rather poor business decision I'd say. Can you link to where they said this?

It seems likely that developers are going to need to do some work to bring aircraft, in particular, into 2024, enabling them to take advantage of the developments to the flight model and maybe some of them will introduce additional features as well, such as a guided pre-flight walk around. I think, for this, it is reasonable to charge a small upgrade fee, particularly for planes introduced quite some time ago, in PMDG's case like the DC6 and the 737.  However, if PMDG wants us to pay the full price of the add on again, well, that will end my relationship with them; and this is from someone who has purchased their products for over 20 years across 3 platforms. Same if they try to charge for the 777 that was released in June or July, long after the announcement for 2024. I think developers will have to tread this one carefully.

This is also why I have stopped buying further add-ons now. There is too much uncertainty.

10 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Same if they try to charge for the 777 that was released in June or July, long after the announcement for 2024. I think developers will have to tread this one carefully.

I am in the same boat with the 777. Right before launch at Expo MSFS announced the new flight planning stuff. And even with the 737, there are so many outstanding issues right now (the RF Legs, bringing the tablet stuff from the T7 over, etc.) if they are all in a paid update as part of 2024 I am not going to happy.

That said, no one knows so I am not going to preemptively get upset until we get more data.

I'm honestly not that surprised. FS2024 is the newest most up-to-date sim with new opportunities software-wise for developers to show what they can do. Asobo says FS2020 will be supported for a few more years with updates. But once FS2024 is fully up and running, will development studios want to spend limited resources supporting two simulators with any new aircraft they release? 

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by james42

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Well, it is as it is with most new platforms vs older platforms.. in order to take advantage of new features/capabilities an add-on then very likely becomes not backward compatible with an older platform. I wouldn't want new add-ons to *not* take advantage of the new MSFS 2024 features just in order to be backward compatible with MSFS 2020.

And if MSFS 2024 changes were only eye candy then ironically this would not be a problem, but due to new capabilities in aircraft development and flight model development aircraft devs are going to have to make choices:
a) Maintain two codebases where one is for 2020 and the other is for 2024 which takes advantage of 2024-only capabilities
b) Only develop new aircraft for 2024 taking advantage of 2024 features
c) Not take advantage of 2024 features and maintain one codebase for the aircraft that will work with both 2020 and 2024

IMO, I'd rather aircraft devs do a) or b)

Also re: PMDG, there are two classes of updates here.. the minimal or no updates required to get existing 2020 aircraft working *as-is* in MSFS 2024, then the more substantial work required to take advantage of new features in 2024. Sounds like PMDG is not making guarantees that the latter kind of upgrade would be free (which is to be expected). If they are going to charge just for making 2020 aircraft work as-is in 2024, then that's a rather poor business decision I'd say. Can you link to where they said this? All I've seen them (Mathijs) post re: 2024 are these:
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/328544-fs2024
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/328845-transitioning-from-2020-to-2024?p=328922#post328922
 

It was mentioned in one of those threads by Mathijs at PDMG that right now they really don't know anything.  However depending on the amount of rework needed they "MAY" have to charge an upgrade fee.  Its not confirmed but depending on how it goes for others its almost a sure thing that unless its a drag and drop transition they will be charging a fee for the update.  

I think its pretty likely that FS2020 planes will work in FS2024 but I see a lot of problems especially with flight modeling.  Also it will depend on how much bling will need to be written into the plane?  At this point we really don't know anything but if history repeats these planes will likely need to be redone in order to enjoy them in MSFS.  Scenery might be different but even then in order to implement all the new bling that will likely be available in FS2024 they will need reworking as well.  

Again we will just have to wait and see.  I pre ordered FS2024 so I will be able to enjoy the new stuff but I think its going to be a problem for the community when all of a sudden you have to open your wallet and pay again.  Some of this stuff has not been out that long and a lot of stuff dropping this Fall.  I see a lot of delays until FS2024 is out and we know what we got.