1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

 

If they promised no day 1 server load issues then yes that's a promise broken.. although I think it's a more a MS/infrastructure responsibility than Asobo itself. I'm sure there will be a post mortem and will be interesting to hear if they underestimated initial day(s) user load.

 

If they promised better release state than 2020 in terms of quality of default aircraft and avionics and other actual sim quality issues, then the jury is still out.

Today is not the time to argue or defend anything.

The Infrastructure is so unstable that thousand of simmers even cannot access the product at all.

all those that had concerns were right, the rest is wishful thinki ng

 

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

Go read the original thread and comments from Abriael. That guy was triggered. 

Abriael is straight up obnoxious. Can't stand that guy.

Can't lie, surprised hes not defending Asobo right now. In this situation you absolutely can't.

Edited November 20, 20241 yr by carlanthony24

39 minutes ago, urthgental said:

All those that had concerns were right, the rest is wishful thinki ng

Yes all those who had concerns about server load were right, not a big surprise 

 

Edited November 20, 20241 yr by lwt1971

6 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Can't lie, surprised hes not defending Asobo right now. In this situation you absolutely can't.

I'm more pointing at MS since they own the backend. But same thing, really. Jorg is an MS employee and the buck stops with him.

Yup the launch was horrible but it has started working for some folks in the past ten min or so. I am able to see all my planes and log in - took like 3 min only! 

One of the MS CM's said they will have some messaging "shortly(tm)"

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/slow-initial-load-msfs2024/664820/892

2 hours ago, scotchegg said:

Thought not. Hope you can enjoy congratulating yourself for winning an argument that nobody challenged.

You keep doing you. 

20 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

I'm more pointing at MS since they own the backend. But same thing, really. Jorg is an MS employee and the buck stops with him.

Gonna be really interested to hear what went wrong.. did MS/Asobo underestimate the initial load of users? Did they underestimate the quantity of load per user of those who'd be installing and going thru all the initial cloud->client transfers?

Or did they have the right estimates for initial day(s) use but MS and infrastructure team didn't allocate enough server-side resources?

Either way it must suck for the Asobo devs how server-side issues has dampened their launch day. But then again also gratifying the immense amount of interest and users the sim has.
 

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Like you say, I will never forget the way he spoke to me for simply raising concerms. He was acting like an MS/Asobo attack dog at anyone offering the slightest concern. Maybe just human nature when you accept special hospitality.

Anyway, as much as we didn't want this to happen, the suspicions were there.  It is such a shame. 

Some people are saying this is a cash grab, or bait and switch, it really isn't. It is simply down to a lack of foresight by some part of the team, and there is no malice involved.

Jorg must be truly saddened. He has put his heart and soul into this project.

He looked really stressed and tired in a video the other day though.  You could say it's natural before a launch, but no, he looked troubled like he had concerns himself.  There was a certain look behind his eyes, and he was trying to paint a cautious picture and talk about fixing things up quickly after launch. 

I really hope he wasn't forced by the bean counters to push it out of the door come what may, but it probably makes no difference anyway, as the sim will get fixed up at the same rate as if they had postponed the launch.  These launch day server capacity issues are nothing to do with the functoning of the core sim, so they shouldn't be conflated.

hopefully we will be able to look back and laugh about it in the not too distant future.  It will all be fixed.  There is no other option.

He was TRIGGERED. And you are right. No malice on the part of MS or Asobo. I am sure they feel bad about this and are working around the clock to get issues resolved. It must have been the bean counters. No way the team would have released it like this. Jorg knew this was going to be bad, but the train was leaving the station regardless of what he said. Like I said in my post, I am not saying this is a bad thing. The black eye will eventually be forgotten or at least forgiven! And now the rest of the sim must be whipped into release state. These developers love to spend eternity at 95% complete, but the reality is that you must release it to finish it. Ask me how I know lol. 

I have the utmost respect and confidence in this team. Someone up the food chain forced their hands, and we have this debacle to thank for it. But these guys will sort it out. Epic train wreck though!

All too common these days, and I feel bad for them. But things will improve. Just needs a few months.  

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

They already learned this and implemented it once. Open beta with the updates. It was working well.

Why they changed the system is anyone's guess because we never had a real answer.  That then leaves room for the sceptics to ask "why, what don't they want us to see?"

I think they ran out of time. They could not have an open beta, which would have only proven that it wasn't ready, and then it would have delayed the launch. They went with plan Z. Just release the sucker lol. 

1 hour ago, UAL4life said:

Exactly. Lots of us saw this coming and claimed it was a horrible idea and very poorly executed. But nah we were just doomers as one poster had claimed. Asobo is an amateur company. 

I don't think Asobo are amateurs. I do think that they have a very big powerful "customer/partner" and at the end of the day, somebody said launch this sucker and they had no choice. Trust me, this stuff happens all too often. 

46 minutes ago, Bigt said:

Abriael is straight up obnoxious. Can't stand that guy.

No argument there. It wasn't like I was hating on the product or company. I love this flight sim. That guy has issues. 

"
We have worked hard with our partners, including Asobo and others, to bring you an amazing sim experience. The excitement for the sim today has been overwhelming, but we encountered an issue with one of our services handling the new systems in the game like career mode and various missions. The server responsible for handling data requests got overloaded, causing delays and errors.

As a result, players are experiencing long loading times and missing content like aircraft. We have solved the issues and are now bringing players in at a steady pace. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patience. We will keep you updated on our social channels, forums, and website. Thank you very much for all your feedback and support."
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/c/discussion-hub/general-discussion/142

Latest post just now. Hopefully they have identified and fixed the root cause

38 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Yes all those who had concerns about server load were right, not a big surprise 

 

The concerns went well beyond server issues, but I guess we have to get past the server issues before we can see the rest of it lol. I do believe you posted a long response in my thread stating why I was wrong. Yeah, there's that.