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Maybe back to the original topic of this thread. Jörg Neumann made it very clear that MSFS will be made accessible to everybody who is interested in the sensation of flight and aviation in general. And he also made it very clear that he will not turn this into a Xbox style arcade game. Mainly because the sensation of flying requires fidelity in all related areas to be convincing. This is his mindset and the only way to make flight simulation a viable product at Microsoft. I do not enjoy Reno, Maverick or Dune but I can live with it. The product of full of compromises that come with this approach. You may like it or not. if you are looking for a simulator fully focused on certain use cases, such as to prepare for a checkride in a B787, or to recreate all aspects of flight physics to the limit then this is the wrong product for you. I fly a little old C152 and even if the actual behavior in the Sim is a little bit different from our real one, I enjoy to fly it from time to time. Sometimes in my home area, sometimes in places I will never be in my life. But I also try gliders and helicopters from time to time and based on my experience with the C152 I feels plausible and have some great time. And maybe MSFS is also surprisingly good for those that have a different focus or are interested only in certain aspects. That would be great.

What discussion again. Nobody is saying MSFS is perfect. I have the impression some would be happy if Microsoft stops or fails. And that would be really a pity, it is the best thing that happened to our hobby for decades.

I would also appreciate some standards in respecting different views about quality and improvements in MSFS. The default aircrafts and its avionics have improved significantly in recent years. Already in x-plane but especially with MSFS. The various Garmins by WT are excellent for its purpose. Calling this garbage or bloatware is a slap in the face of the developers and all those who are happy with it.

Don‘t feed the trolls

I think in the first MSFS2020 developer Q&A 3rd parties were adressed and Sebastian mentioned Aircrafts, maybe Airports, and that’s it. It would have been great see the best 3rd parties onboarded for some core elements such as ATC, Traffic, Weather, Camera systems, etc. But if they did not until now I cannot see why they should in future. And I expect their ‚always online‘ ‚digital twin’ will be extended in 2024. They have to control the weather globally, both on Xbox and PC to assign jobs and missions.

Purpose, this is what lacks in all flight sims forever and also keeps MSFS shutdown since many months. I am simming since FS5.1, have a PPL. But still, MS just feels dead. I hope MSFS2024 brings back purpose to get me back flying the sim. i know many people here do not want something like FSEconomy or a pilot’s life in the Sim. But a global, online global career mode by Asobo with reward and recognition would be really motivational for me (hopefully). If this is then called gamification and Microsoft style, so be it.

Nothing is perfect, and it will never be. Of course everybody can point out things that could have been improved. But criticism a QC or ‚poor management decisions‘ is something completely different. first, you have no clue how much QA effort can be spend to such a WU nor what needs to be considered for any management decision. Microsofts commitment and investment into this franchise is just mind blowing. It sounds like little children sitting at mom‘s lunch dish, nagging around whatever is being served.

I hope/expect that ATC gets a complete overhaul, fitting to their mission replacement in 2024. All these different activities they showcased require a good com interface. PilotEdge or Vatsim are no option at all. This only works for IFR. And this whole Azure, AI is just too good to be missed. I would be shocked if they do not implement any GPT LLM for that purpose. Have a look at their recently anounced partnership with Inworld AI: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/games/articles/2023/11/xbox-and-inworld-ai-partnership-announcement/ „An AI character runtime engine that can be integrated into the game client, enabling entirely new narratives with dynamically-generated stories, quests, and dialogue for players to experience.“ And to be honest, I am a bit disappointed about the lack of communication from Microsoft about such topics. That is something to be discussed actively with the community.

To be fair, even here there were/are different needs on the weather topic. Many requested to fly weather conditions from the past and not just real time weather that changes with the time of the day. The live fire topic was interesting. It seems the want to generate dynamic activity/missions that fit to a geographical situation. I hope the implement something that feels ‚live‘ true world operations and rewarding. It could be interesting for many, even for those who are not missing something like this today…

There is a big difference between voicing an opinion on a specific discussion versus regularly jumping into all MSFS 2024 threads and constantly bashing with the same old biased provoking arguments.

i do not expect a lot of people who did not care about MSFS 2020 will join the hobby with FS 2024. I think the improvements are targeted to existing casual gamers and enthusiasts alike. Really, a lot of what has been presented so far does fit for the current user base. I do not expect huge improvements in weather or the flight model area, but still I am surprised about commenters in this forum that are not looking forward to the new release.

Really confusing. While the Tante Ju had plenty of charisma these Microsoft Planes are getting more and more boring. Along with each new plane I would expect at least one unique new feature based on the SDK to showcase how 3rd Parties can implement.

In general, the world map is great. It helps to search for glider spots, heliports, water runways and such. But the usability is really pain. No favorites, stored routes and such. My assumption is that it is internally considered feature complete for FS2020. Same applies for the hangar that is also useless and disconnected from plane selection. I expect both get some significant uplift in 2024. With career paths and wear & tear for owned airplanes the UI really needs an overhaul…

Regardless of its commercial success on sales and marketplace, the true value and our luck is its perfect fit into the strategic direction of Microsoft. No other product combines its Business Services such as Azure Services, Games Devision, Cloud Computing, Bing Services and many more filled with a vibrant ecosystem of partners. It is centered in a positively perceived and peaceful Aviation environment. Everybody has sympathy for the dream of flight in some way. And it is truely global and visually beautiful. Everybody can find it’s place. It’s not a game, but also not business software. It’s serious, professional, realistic but still, everybody can experience it. And it has on top such a long lasting heritage at Microsoft. I assume there is a lot of support in the company to support this. To be honest, i cannot imaging a better product to showcase what this company stands for. i think we are just lucky that Jörg was at the right place at the right time… And I would be more than surprised if ChatGPT would not make it into MSFS2024 at some point in time.

What a ridiculous discussion. I hope the people from MS & Asobo do not accidentally read all this word not allowed here.

I think MS is balancing this nicely in FS2024. Flying in a Sim is completly different from any other type of games. I am RW pilot and I fly in Sims to recreate this experience virtually. But I need some guidance where and how to fly apart from routes I know at home. These activites, if not implemented as boring as Missions or BushTrips, can help to experience new aspects of aviation. So I am all for it, in case they implement good procedural scenarios, we will see.

Media Cross Selling again. Not thrilled at all.

I think MSFS is in a very good state and delivers on its promise. I would just love to see more focus on certain aspects of the simulation. But well, maybe you can‘t sell a product with such kind of trailers. I hope these are more than just scripted missions. I remember a comment from MS support a few months back when they said that there will be not much development in the current mission system as it is being totally revamped. Hopefully these are more dynamically generated flights based on your progress.

After the first thrill I am a little bit disappointed. Instead of showing all kind of mission style scenarios I would have enjoyed more deep dive into a few of such careers paths that highlight dispatching of such missions, communication on the way and progress. I thing Reno and Maverick were very dull. I hope we get more beef soon for those of us who fly on daily bases. Let‘s see, but I have not much hope…

I think the default ATC is not that bad at all. It works in many straight forward cases. If nothing changes and no obstacles on the way it can work from departure to destination including SID and Approach. However, one fundamental problem is that, once in cockpit, you do not know the flight plan that ATC considers as filed. Vectoring to the next waypoint… What waypoint? To really improve they must first make the filed IFR flight plan visible in the sim and get rid of the ridiculous navigation log.

You are not alone. I experienced the same issues a few days ago. Never had any issues for years…

MSFS does not publish APIs for weather integration. And they have always been very clear on that. It is not planned and never will be. You may like it or not. XEnviro cannot guarantee any support. It can break every second whenever MSFS changes something on the server infrastructure or pushes out an update. So why do they still bring something like this to the market? They can only promise and oversell. It is a shame. On top of that, MS is committed to improve long term. Maybe not as fast as we would like but it already shines in many areas. Use a glider in SU11 Beta with thermals, it is just stunning. Miles ahead of what we ever had in the past.

I would not wonder if some people here regularly look up to the sky and state how unrealistic is that!

If you live in Europe, everybody’s moral is really low at the moment…

Well, I have that dream to not require Weather, Camera, Traffic or ATC add-ons. I used them in FSX and X-Plane and I am tired of it. Reading Jörgs interview today I am convinced these areas will greatly improve over time. He explicitly talks about it. I am happy to invest in airplanes and some airports but improvements to core features should come from Asobo.