19 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

I left got a refund for 2024 due to 100% streaming, I'm not going to adjust my flying to fly off peak of their server load! 

I know launch was a disputer. But streaming is getting better by day.

42 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

That doesn't explain why the alpha test went off without a hitch! It was the severe demand on the servers, don't be surprised if the same connect or performance issues pop up  during Christmas. 

I am generally confused by the talk about server capacity on this forum. It is like there is a really simplistic understanding of how the infrastructure works, like very high level without a good grasp of all the technologies in play and their actual capacities, especially in North America and to a similar extent Europe. What happened on the first day was more than insufficient capacity; although that was likely a factor but it is not the whole story.

Netflix has 282 million subscribers worldwide. High definition streaming is about 2G per hour, more than what MSFS2024 is using, at least in my machine where I have been watching it. It is not that much more but it is more. My point is Netflix is almost certainly using infrastructure to stream many, many, many times the data that Microsoft is for 2024 and to many, many, many more users. This matter of server capacity and streaming is not the issue some people are concerned about; I have other concerns about interconnectivity but so far so good, baring day one! 

Most are saying it is smoothing out now and it will continue to do so as people become more consistent in their usage and the demand forecasting and load prediction algorithms have enough data to work well. It will also improve once we can download our aircraft, world updates and airports where we fly the most, this will mean they are called from our local drive and not streamed. Once we can do this it will not be that different than 2020.

It seems to be improving, a little more patience and it should be ok.

I think there should be options: for those who would like to have some content offline and for those who want 100% streaming

Just now, sd_flyer said:

I think there should be options: for those who would like to have some content offline and for those who want 100% streaming

I understand this is the plan. The delay of launching the marketplace means that we do not now have the functionality to do that but soon we will and then we can bring our aircraft, world updates, airport and other scenery we have to our local drives. That will decrease the amount streamed; it will be much closer to 2020.

Essential watch for all fans of 757/767 upcoming release by Bluebird Simulations. Why here? 

LISTEN TO THE MAN!

PLEASE give us OFFLINE mode. He's begging for real, I'm 100% with him.

Regardless of the marketplace: Asobo is working on My Library. They hope to release that option this year. Quote from Asobo:

"Yes, “My Library” will allow to download an aircraft (or any other package) locally to avoid having to stream it. I am not 100% sure on the ETA but I think it should be before Christmas.

Of course we initially planned to have this option available for launch but didn’t manage to achieve it - apologies for the inconvenience."

This might solve some problems.

BTW Did anyone test already if the size of the cache makes a noticeable difference?

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by mistolip

On 11/23/2024 at 12:34 AM, cobalt said:

MSFS2020 is not offline in its normal mode of operation. On the contrary, it was designed from the start to use satellite-streamed real-world scenery, and this is its defining feature. I can understand why this is a problem for some simmers (for example, those living in areas with poor internet service), and they may be better off using an offline alternative like X-plane. But folks, this ship has sailed -- we are in a new era and I can't imagine ever going back. I suspect that most who have experienced the real-world scenery in MSFS2020 are hooked on it (I know I am), and for the foreseeable future the only way to have this is via data streaming from the cloud. Nobody today is going to own a home computer that can accommodate the petabytes of data would be required to represent the real world in high detail. Making MSFS2024 offline -- reverting to computer-drawn artificial scenery a la FSX or FS9 -- would be an irrational step backward and is not a realistic option. 

I assume that what the "offline" petition is really asking for is a system exactly like FS2020, in which the terrain scenery textures are streamed directly from the cloud, but everything else is installed on our PCs. That works absolutely fine 99.9% of the time on my own PC. It's the "let's stream everything" focus of FS2024 that bothers me. I am not convinced that this will be flawless all of the time, and it is simply not good enough to suggest only flying at off peak times. That is not a solution.

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I assume that what the "offline" petition is really asking for is a system exactly like FS2020, in which the terrain scenery textures are streamed directly from the cloud, but everything else is installed on our PCs. That works absolutely fine 99.9% of the time on my own PC. It's the "let's stream everything" focus of FS2024 that bothers me. I am not convinced that this will be flawless all of the time, and it is simply not good enough to suggest only flying at off peak times. That is not a solution.

Hence the upcoming My Library. This will do exactly what you want.

1 hour ago, mistolip said:

Hence the upcoming My Library. This will do exactly what you want.

Could you please enlighten us with precise info on what data you can store in this feature compared to what you can not and with infallible mathematical precision prove that the rollout of said solution will therefore, after of course carrying out extensive market research into the requirements of the userbase, "do exactly what we want"? 

Thanks, awaiting your response! 

On 11/22/2024 at 9:51 PM, Aviator_2024 said:

 If Asobo is pulling the Apple move (slowing down the previous version so people will switch to new one) than, I have no words for this

If they start that cynical and utterly vile tactic, I'll be out of MSFS completely. I'd bin it immediately! 😡 BTW, I had no idea that streaming everything was how 2024 works. I'm glad I've discovered this, if that's the case, I won't be buying 2024 no matter what!

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Rocky_53

How about the same balance between online and offline that worked for 2020.
 

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it ffs. 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by UAL4life

18 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Could you please enlighten us with precise info on what data you can store in this feature compared to what you can not and with infallible mathematical precision prove that the rollout of said solution will therefore, after of course carrying out extensive market research into the requirements of the userbase, "do exactly what we want"? 

Thanks, awaiting your response! 

Haha, no, I only know what Asobo posted. But it LOOKS like a solution and what people want.

18 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

I dumped them  the second found out it's 100% streaming.

So is 2020. The only difference after marketplace rollout is, that in 2024 world updates and addons per default are streamed. You can switch off that streaming, let 2024 download everything you wish and store permanently on your disk. Then 2024 will work exactly like 2020. You will be one who pays for storage in that case though, so that disadvantage remains. MS does not force you to use their disks...

1 hour ago, fsiscool said:

So is 2020. The only difference after marketplace rollout is, that in 2024 world updates and addons per default are streamed. You can switch off that streaming, let 2024 download everything you wish and store permanently on your disk. Then 2024 will work exactly like 2020. You will be one who pays for storage in that case though, so that disadvantage remains. MS does not force you to use their disks...

Most of us are already set up for this, as per every other flight simulator in the history of the industry. Nobody asked for a 100% streaming option. Hopefully, that "My Library" option will work out as planned, and then we can all return to the real world.

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

Nobody asked for a 100% streaming option. Hopefully, that "My Library" option will work out as planned, and then we can all return to the real world.

Well, some did... and since they are not putting 2TB SSDs in X-Boxes...

It seems clear from their forum that the My Library function did not make it into the sim before the release deadline. That was really unfortunate, but it is what it is.

As others have said, once that feature is released, you can use 2024 pretty much the same as 2020 in this regard; download all your aircraft and other assets, all the world updates, all your additional scenery, right to your hard drive. Remember 2020 streams all the weather, traffic, and a good part of the base scenery. It is a streaming sim, the only difference here is that 2024 can be customized to stream or not stream; it has access to and the ability to stream the world updates something 2020 seeming could not do. For someone like me, who dreaded nearly 200G of downloads when I re-installed the sim this flexibility is quite nice. 

It is an incomplete product/launch. We need to just give it time, which is something virtually every long-term simmer said on these forums prior to 2024 launching.