3 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

My only problem is that it often freezes the computer.

MSFS is still running, but I loose total access.

 

Hmmmm, That sounds like an MSFS issue I have seen (but fortunately not in a while).  I have seen the cockpit freeze as I would describe it in the PMDG 737 a few times but never due to Lossless Scaling.  

Sim is still running, I can hear it running and the scenery still updates but the cockpit is completely frozen and I can't interact with it at all.  Is that what you are seeing or something different @Ron Lefebvre?

34 minutes ago, psolk said:

Hmmmm, That sounds like an MSFS issue I have seen (but fortunately not in a while).  I have seen the cockpit freeze as I would describe it in the PMDG 737 a few times but never due to Lossless Scaling.  

Sim is still running, I can hear it running and the scenery still updates but the cockpit is completely frozen and I can't interact with it at all.  Is that what you are seeing or something different @Ron Lefebvre?

Exactly that. Not always of course, but enough that I keep my figures crossed everytime I try and use it.

 

Somebody mentioned to disable VSync. That did not work

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Ron Lefebvre

4 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Exactly that. Not always of course, but enough that I keep my figures crossed everytime I try and use it.

I had that without Lossless with just the PMDG 737 but I think others have experienced it in other planes as well.  I "want" to say it had something to do with WASM errors which is why it was more prevalent in some addons than others but I don't "think" (dangerous for me, I already smell something burning) it is a lossless scaling issue.  In fact I don't know I've heard of any lockups using it, the feedback has been pretty overwhelmingly favorable for this little gem.  

I am not saying it can't be Lossless but if you only get lockups when using it then maybe it isn't playing nicely with something on your system from a settings on driver perspective.  

4 hours ago, MadDog said:

I've never used it; but I've read that accessing another windowed application (BATC, FS2Crew, FSLTL, etc.) disables Lossless Scaling in the sim.  Is that true?

Nope.  It takes you out of the lossless if you open another window, but you just click on the screen when you return to the sim and lossless resumes.  No big deal. 

On 11/27/2024 at 8:02 PM, boez said:

Yes it works equally as well in MSFS2024. My usage is: 1/2 vsync in sim doubled to 60fps by Lossless Scaling. 60hz desktop. 

Similar to that. Mine is capped 24, which gives me 48 FPS via LSFG. It's because my refresh rate is 144 by default (it always goes back to 144 whenever I set it to 60). So 1/6 of 144 is 24, and 1/3 of it is 48.

And through MSFS AutoFPS, I set the target FPS to 46. With this MSFS 2020 settings, I can set the graphic sliders to ULTRA (Vector, Building, Trees, Grass), and the rest is HIGH. 

However, in MSFS 2024, things are a bit unstable, not because of the LSFG or AutoFPS, but how MSFS 2024 renders LOD objects and loading the texture itself are messy. I still suffer unexplained low fps, and the only way to fix it is restarting the sim. 

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by History

Have it but dont use it as it locks up my sim 2020.

As i often in full screen and when i look hit windows key and go into my simbrief or other apps.

Lossless does not seem to like that.

And sim freezes.

Hope they can fix that.

And so i can use it more often.

 

Mike

58 minutes ago, mikeymike said:

Have it but dont use it as it locks up my sim 2020.

As i often in full screen and when i look hit windows key and go into my simbrief or other apps.

Lossless does not seem to like that.

And sim freezes.

Hope they can fix that.

And so i can use it more often.

 

Mike

I often turn off the LSFG before going out from MSFS (there's a shortcut for this), and turn it back on when my screen is back to MSFS. The worst thing would happen of I didn't was flickering.

My server has 2 55” 4K tv’s as “Windows” ( no panels ) and with LS (multimonitor mode) I had freezes on the main front view screen while the scène on the Right view screen continued to move. I only could shutdown LS and restant it.

The solution was to Click on the Right view screen after having started the Scaling on the Front view screen. That has worker ever since.

I use lossless scaling and when the mouse gets stuck, I alt-tab to another app and then the mouse appears in that app. Seems to work every time and only a slight annoyance.

On 11/27/2024 at 2:02 PM, boez said:

Yes it works equally as well in MSFS2024. My usage is: 1/2 vsync in sim doubled to 60fps by Lossless Scaling. 60hz desktop. 

Using it the same way. It works nicely.

I used to use it in 2020 but had a lot of performance issues in some regions eg London if I had DirectX12 enabled so often ran it in DX11.  Now that DX12 is the only option in 2024 I can barely use LS due to the additional vram demands.  I have a 12Gb 3080ti.  I have also noticed LS steals a lot of performance from your gpu even before it provides Frame Generation.  I could be easily getting 60 fps and as soon as LS is enabled those 60 drops to 40-45 then x2 etc is applied.  It results in a not so smooth experience.  Like others had said there is often screen freezes and I need to press the Windows key, then Unscale LS.  I have gone back to the old FSR mod, which no longer has the old menu/overlay artifacts

Edited December 20, 20241 yr by cj-ibbotson

Yes, I use it for all my sims, FS9 included.

Right now I'm running it in 4x, with FPS locked at 30 in RTSS. It looks beautiful. However, I had to disable G-sync and set my monitor to 120 Hz.

I'd like to be able to reduce FPS to 20 and then apply 3x so that I could get 60 FPS. However, 60 Hz don't look as smooth in my G-sync Compatible monitor as in my laptop (specs for both in signature).

@Ron Lefebvre I apologize!  It does appear that others here are having the same lockup issues with lossless especially with multi monitor so it "could" be the WASM issues I mentioned, what planes does it happen with? 

However, it could very well also be lossless as others here have said, so I misspoke, I apologize!  

1 hour ago, psolk said:

@Ron Lefebvre I apologize!  It does appear that others here are having the same lockup issues with lossless especially with multi monitor so it "could" be the WASM issues I mentioned, what planes does it happen with? 

However, it could very well also be lossless as others here have said, so I misspoke, I apologize!  

No need to apologize. Could be so many things. I do fly the PMDG a lot, but it also happens with Ifly version.

I don't believe the problem is lossless scaling itself.

There is a conflict somewhere. Hardware or software. I think something is happening with the refresh rate cause the monitor is the only thing that stops working. The computer itself is still going as if nothing has happened.

 

 

Version 2.13 has been released.

40% reduction in x2 mode is a major improvement. Cancelling my RTX5090 order right now 😉
 

2.13 released | 3.0 beta

Happy anniversary, LSFG!

LSFG 3 is built on a new, efficient architecture that introduces significant improvements in quality, performance, and latency.

Key improvements include:
Reduced flickering and border artifacts, with noticeable enhancements in motion clarity and overall smoothness.

Lower GPU load:
A 40% reduction for X2 mode compared to LSFG 2 (non-performance mode). Over 45% reduction for multipliers above X2 compared to LSFG 2 (non-performance mode).
The "Resolution Scale" feature remains an excellent way to further reduce GPU load. For instance, setting it to 90% roughly aligns with the LSFG 2 "Performance" mode.

Better latency:
Latency testing with the OSLTT tool (at 40 base FPS, X2) shows approximately 24% better end-to-end latency compared to LSFG 2.

 

https://steamcommunity.com/app/993090/discussions/0/598515385949554915/

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