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Microsoft's Ballmer Blames Pirates For Slow Sales Of VistaAaron McKennaFebruary 19, 2007 11:50Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (note how I don't make a single chair throwing, soft-spoken joke) blames software pirates in developing markets such as China, India, Brazil and Russia for the poor sales of Windows Vista.He says that Microsoft plans on tightening the screws on Windows Genuine Advantage, Microsoft's DRM solution from ####; thus ensuring that it will be Joe Consumer who suffers for the poor sales of Vista which obviously have nothing to do with the fact that Vista is bug ridden and not the Second Coming we had been potentially promised.-------------------------------------------Yeah...right...Blackbeard and the Crew.Hey Mr. Ballmer...how 'bout it could be a real AMERICAN HAPPENING---a genuine 'Boston Tea Party' REVOLT of consumers over your 'bend-over and smile' DRM masterpiece (Vista) Huh?***DX10 might be made a stand alone after all!*** MHO.MS might have to throw out some candy to gamers, or remove the pork chop (DX10) from off of Vista's neck....and separate the two!!!MS is daily alienating thousands of prior users of their O.S.'s....and all they can say at the moment red-faced..is argh...it be the pirates, it be! Argh...desperate they are! Argh....ar....Geez..:)Mitch R.

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The disengagement from reality is a sure sign that MS will be doing everything the `paranoid alarmists` warned they would do. If they can't (won't) see that their overpriced, unwanted heap of slimy security tat isn't wanted and THAT and excessive cost is what is keeping people away from Vista then they can prove that to themselves in, oh, around ten seconds - drop the price by 90% and remove the unwanted `features` :)Second, and most interesting point is, that if pirates ARE to blame, it doesn't say much for Vistas much-vaunted `security` does it? Again, all that time and energy spent and the only people suffering are the legitimate consumers. And Ballmers comments just add fuel to the fire that it is the genuine consumer who, having been made to pay, will now be made to pay. Again.Just who does he think he's fooling?Allcott

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>Just who does he think he's fooling?>>AllcottThey're just having their first cup of coffee. They'll be here soon.;-)

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>Microsoft's Ballmer Blames Pirates For Slow Sales Of Vista>Aaron McKenna>February 19, 2007 11:50>>Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (note how I don't make a single>chair throwing, soft-spoken joke) blames software pirates in>developing markets such as China, India, Brazil and Russia for>the poor sales of Windows Vista.>>He says that Microsoft plans on tightening the screws on>Windows Genuine Advantage, Microsoft's DRM solution from ####;>thus ensuring that it will be Joe Consumer who suffers for the>poor sales of Vista which obviously have nothing to do with>the fact that Vista is bug ridden and not the Second Coming we>had been potentially promised.>>------------------------------------------->>Yeah...right...Blackbeard and the Crew.>>Hey Mr. Ballmer...how 'bout it could be a real AMERICAN>HAPPENING---a genuine 'Boston Tea Party' REVOLT of consumers>over your 'bend-over and smile' DRM masterpiece (Vista) Huh?>>***DX10 might be made a stand alone after all!*** MHO.>>MS might have to throw out some candy to gamers, or remove the>pork chop (DX10) from off of Vista's neck....and separate the>two!!!>>MS is daily alienating thousands of prior users of their>O.S.'s....and all they can say at the moment red-faced..is>argh...it be the pirates, it be! Argh...desperate they are! >Argh....ar....>>Geez..>>:)>>Mitch R.>>What a genius Mr. Ballmer is. If he were CEO of JC Penney, he would boost sales by assigning an armed escort to every customer who walked in the store.

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Pirates are to blame for Vista's poor sales? Yes, that is certainly true and beyond the shadow of a doubt. I cannot understand how millions of people can ignore the computing revolution that is Vista. Vista is the next generation, the future and Microsoft has released the best version of Windows EVER! The pirates are to blame!Now, I as Queen of England, hereby proclaim that all Avsim members will pay me a Forum Posting Tax (FPT) from now on of 100 GBP per post, and I will only answer by the name, Her Royal Highness (or Her Royal Butt of Lard) Microsoft, WE ARE NOT AMUSED!!!

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Very funny, Mike :-lolWhy am I not surprised about slow Vista sales?! ;) There is no killer application or feature that tells me to buy this rather "system intensive" OS. XP is extremely stable, and I can get its memory usage down to >180Mb if need be! XP has crashed on me twice in the past three years. If XP had the reliablity of Win98 then we would all be queuing up ...P.S. I used an old PC with Win98 last night. The blasted thing crashed on me for the 1,000th time :-lol

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Microsoft is overly paranoid. Ballmer illustrates that point perfectly. He's overly paranoid of someone stealing his software. Preoccupied with pirates, instead of being preoccupied with making a solid OS.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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Maybe someone should point out to Mr. Ballmer that one can buy a whole computer at WalMart for less money than Microsoft wants for Vista alone. Or, that WinXP actually works better than Vista in most all cases. I think the folks in Redmond have detached themselves from reality.Doug

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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer comments seem a bit stupid.If the product was any good it would be selling like hot-cakes in other countries.

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>Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer comments seem a bit stupid.>>If the product was any good it would be selling like hot-cakes>in other countries.I found out in another forum (British car forum) that the $199 version costs the equivalent of $349 in Britain, so it won't be selling like hotcakes anytime soon there. Vista will catch on, but it's still early. There's no justification at this point in time to pay so much for a little bit of eye candy. XP actually works well and there are no DX10 games yet, so why spend so much on a new OS? In time, when hardware is better and there's actually a need for DX10, I'll get Vista. Either that or I'll get it when my computer guy at work gets me a free copy :().

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Microsoft's biggest competition is itself, not pirates.XP is just an extremely good O/S. I never get crashes.The new Vista desktop graphics with the sidebar are just fluff that no one really needs. As has been mentioned before, I think most everyone will be going Vista when they purchase new hardware when the DX10 games start coming out (I guess they really won't have much of a choice.)I know my next big upgrade will likely be when Crysis comes out.A lot of other people are waiting for SP1 and improved drivers.At the end of the day I don't think MS has much to worry about.-Bryan

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Sales of upgrade versions may be slow, but you'd have difficulty buying a new PC in the UK without Vista. PC World offer a cheap desk top with:Intel Pentium 4 631 Processor 3.0GHz, 800MHz FSB, 2MB Cache 1GB DDR RAM 160GB Hard Disk Multi-Format Dual Layer DVD RW Drive Integrated Graphics 7-in-1 Media Card Reader 6 USB Connections 15" TFT Monitorwith Vista Premium for

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personally, I don't think pirates has anything to do with it.I was waiting for vista but decided there is no advantage and potential driver issues so I'm keeping XP.As a developer I wanta stable system. Vista does not offer this to me. More problems that it's worth.

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Good point. Microsoft will make most of its sales of Vista to OEM's, won't they? So they will probably come out ok.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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But they are also relying some on the people to upgrade to the newest and best on their currently operating machines.

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Well that goes without saying. But do they make more profit off OEM's?RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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I don't think so because those are most likely sold for a little less then the retail but they probably make up for it in the shear quantity that is sold.

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>>Just who does he think he's fooling?>>>>Allcott>>They're just having their first cup of coffee. They'll be here>soon.;-) I'll bet they dont come here in droves - I got a bit fed up with being Paranoid and getting beaten up for itBUT I will say - you aint seen nuttin yet - wait till the Giant actually flexes

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>Well that goes without saying. But do they make more profit>off OEM's?>>>RhettNot Really - I dont know the new pricing but we used to buy OEM XP @$10 and add between $50-100 to the price of a system and we only bought in batches of 500 - I'll leave it your imagination just how much per "unit" the BIG Guys pay

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Anyone know where I can buy a pirated copy of Vista? .....I didn't think so.

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>>>Just who does he think he's fooling?>>>>>>Allcott>>>>They're just having their first cup of coffee. They'll be>here>>soon.;-) >>>I'll bet they dont come here in droves - I got a bit fed up>with being Paranoid and getting beaten up for it>>BUT I will say - you aint seen nuttin yet - wait till the>Giant actually flexes>I know you did, Ozzie. And, believe me, I got fed up too. But I haven

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>>>>Just who does he think he's fooling?>>>>>>>>Allcott>>>>>>They're just having their first cup of coffee. They'll be>>here>>>soon.;-) >>>>>>I'll bet they dont come here in droves - I got a bit fed up>>with being Paranoid and getting beaten up for it>>>>BUT I will say - you aint seen nuttin yet - wait till the>>Giant actually flexes>>>>I know you did, Ozzie. And, believe me, I got fed up too. But>I haven

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Psst! Hey...Mr. Ballmer...I just checked...seems X-Plane will run on Linux! :-lol :-lol I'm getting closer and closer to that point all the time. Getting tired of half baked software, overpricing and being assumed a thief until otherwise proven.Push the consumer hard enough and they will leave. Years ago, the general user lacked the knowledge and were intimidated by computers. Not anymore. The new user today is in tune with the market and gaining confidence with their computer skills. I predict you will see more and more users going over to Mac and Linux in the near future.

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>I actually wonder sometimes just how much "penetration" the>Giant actually has - when you get a "forum Administrator" that>appears to be a Giant contractor making "cracks" about banning>people - it leaves one wondering just how DEEP the penetration>becomesI'm not really sure if I read this correctly, but did you just infer that I work for Microsoft as some kind of mole with the sole responsibility of making sure that you don't say bad things about them? I have to say this, if that was indeed my job, I really should go up for review or something, because I would be doing a poor job.

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Boy the whole Microsoft/Vista/DX10/FS10 thing just seems to keep getting deeper.I'm glad I decided to stay with XP and FS9

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