1 minute ago, vonmar said:

I expect my MSFS2020 investment to last the 10 year life cycle of MSFS2020 with regular Updates and improvements.

I think you will be just fine.... no worries.

Some want to jump into 2024 earlier, some later.  I, for one, have chosen to suffer through the initial shortcomings and bugs to get a feel for the new environment which I truly like.  I still have 2020 installed with all my addons, but am finding enough to do in 2024 that I have not gone back.  My favorite aircraft and scenery all seem to work in 2024, so I do not feel that I am missing out.  Still some truly annoying things that need to be fixed before I'd invite you over..  The borked registrations, dimm glass gauges in some aircraft, missing pilot in outside view, and multiplayer model matching problems are top of my list.. Others have their own "top five" items..

Either way, we are only a month or so into this journey and the team needs some time off over the Holidays.. so lets give it some time. 🙂

19 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

I don't need to you just did it for me. It's not an argument of course it's a fact. Not bad for a game! 

No Asobe will game will ever come close to being officially sanctioned for flight training by any professional body while core simulation functions remain encrypted. They are just not flexible enough. Almost everything is a compromise. 

I've never owned xplane so I can't be accused of loyalty blindness. I've watched and learned from plenty of live streams by knowledgeable users. Never seen anyone flying through blue boxes, skipping to approach, starting on the runway in external view, looping a 747 then laughing when it crashed, getting 16.5 billion points and a A grade for ppl licence test after crashing on final, becoming a jet pilot in 4 hours by skipping all lessons and just doing exams and over speeding by 70kts with full flaps down during go around.. Either. 

Please enjoy your software application, it's obvious that you do.. But.. Please stop calling it the best sim ever. That's practically flat earth territory 🌎

 

Still ignoring Prepar3D, I see. Used far more pervasively than XP for IRL training, yet we know it's not a great flight simulator (by today's standards).

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"while core simulation functions remain encrypted."

Citation required as to justification for non-certification.

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"Never seen anyone flying through blue boxes, skipping to approach, starting on the runway in external view, looping a 747 then laughing when it crashed, getting 16.5 billion points and a A grade for ppl licence test after crashing on final, becoming a jet pilot in 4 hours by skipping all lessons and just doing exams and over speeding by 70kts with full flaps down during go around."

What is a HUD other than a gamified pilot aid? What is an FMC, for that matter?

Never seen stupid word not allowed on an X-Plane video?

Then you simply haven't been paying attention.

Why does XP allow you to disable aircraft damage...?

And at least MSFS actually grades your performance in tutorials...

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And for goodness sake, it's, "AsobO"!!

Edited December 29, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta
Grammar and claifification

2 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Looked it up and yes, P3d before v6 was $350. Then they had the Academic Edition which was not supposed to be for home use and was a breach of the license if you used it for home use. 

Good heavens! I didn’t know that. So all these respectable people - like Ray - have been in breach of the licensing terms?

I’m shocked. Surely they didn’t know that?

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

Claro, cancelen mi comentario por hacer una declaración completamente veraz y objetiva solo porque sus "sentimientos" están heridos. Ese es el mundo en el que vivimos ahora. 

Y volviendo al tema, literalmente no hay nada que proporcione ni siquiera una cuarta parte del valor que brindan MSFS 2020 Y 2024. 
 

Todos los demás simuladores (no puedo nombrarlos o me cancelarán el contrato) requieren una gran inversión antes de siquiera acercarse a la usabilidad. Empezando por los aviones: la mayoría de los simuladores tienen aviones predeterminados terribles y lo primero que debes hacer es descargar un montón de cosas de terceros, gratuitas o pagas. Escenografía... nada que decir aquí que no se haya dicho ya. 
 

Gráficos gratuitos e integrados (2024) Planificador de vuelo (todas las versiones de FS desde hace mucho tiempo)

¿Un ecosistema masivo de terceros con nuevos desarrolladores sorprendentes que se suman todos los días?

Como alguien que gastó un montón de dinero en todos los Sims (comprar la versión correcta me costó dinero, pero fue lo correcto), por mi parte estoy muy contento de que exista MSFS. 

a big investment it is clear/ about thirty minutes to install simheaven + auto ortho + zibo.

I've been more than half an hour trying to investigate how to reduce in 2024 the size of the trees in the area of LEMU, I imagine that I will end up disabling the photogrammetry because between the giant trees and that the AI confuses the greenhouses with Arab bazaars this instead of Alicante looks like Jumanji.

32 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Good heavens! I didn’t know that. So all these respectable people - like Ray - have been in breach of the licensing terms?

I’m shocked. Surely they didn’t know that?

If you mention licensing at all in the p3d forums prepare for a hard landing. Maybe here too?

 

48 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Still ignoring Prepar3D, I see.

Nah just staying on topic with my replies. You'd know if you read more of what I write that I use FSX/P3dv5 and 2020. Don't own x-plane (yet) simply because I have 3 sims installed at the moment all running well and used for different purposes. Of the ones I own with multiple respected addons having access to non encrypted sim code P3d ranks highest followed by FSX then 2020 some way behind. If not for the scenery and sight seeing I would not touch 2020 ever again.

6 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Maybe here too?

Why, is it the Proboscidea in the room? Have all these people been impersonating school boys in order to use P3D?

I think we should be told…

 

1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

You'd know if you read more of what I write that I use FSX/P3dv5 and 2020. Don't own x-plane (yet) simply because I have 3 sims installed at the moment all running well and used for different purposes. Of the ones I own with multiple respected addons having access to non encrypted sim code P3d ranks highest followed by FSX then 2020 some way behind. If not for the scenery and sight seeing I would not touch 2020 ever again.

Oh, believe me, I read all of what you wrote.

Most of it, as usual, is poorly supported, ill-founded partisan drivel.

How about this: if you don't own X-Plane, don't talk about it because you're just (further) increasing the odds of looking foolish.

Or, at least directly rebut the comments of an actual owner and frequent user of X-Plane.

4 hours ago, JonathanC said:

I seem to remember P3d being rather more than $200.

Or did you pretend to be an “academic” and use the academic edition? 

Don't be daftI.

f LM actually cared about consumer use of their sim, there wouldn't even have been an Academic version offered. Or at the very least, one would've needed to send a student ID of some sort, or have purchased thru an accredited Academic Institution.

19 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

ill-founded partisan drivel.

 

3 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Don't be daftI.

2 consecutive posts, 2 insults to 2 different people. Go on why not do the hat trick?

7 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

So why does XP look like a 20 year old technology sim, and has a tiny market share of sim fliers? 

Were you flying FSX or P3D before MSFS...?

Because THAT is what "a 20 year old sim" looks like.

XP v12's only shortcoming is the lack of streaming photo real ground scenery.

Other than that, it's miles ahead of MSFS' progenitors.

While it's undeniably true that XP apparently has a tiny share of the flight sim pie, I'll again remind you that MSFS has had an even more deleterious effect on the previous MS FS titles, and UNlike those, XP's market share is INcreasing.

7 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

But flying over the same scenery, it still likes like word not allowed. 

And still vastly superior to the scenery included in FSX & P3D.

Heck, I just flew over a True Earth upgraded P3D and a True Earth upgraded X-Plane and P3D STILL looks worse.

MSFS is literally Next Gen scenery that looks fantastic fantastic, no doubt about it.

But let us never forget the proper historical context.

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’ve never flown default aircraft in any sim. Always third party.

The MSFS Defaults would be Payware in any other sim.

Further, they are payware-grade even when measured against many MSFS paid add-ons.

12 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Seeing as YOU have mentioned this sim I'd like your opinion, oops sorry I mean a list of FACTS about the above sim that it gets right and it gets wrong or was not implemented yet properly. It would be easy from your comment to assume you've revealed that the ONLY fact that matters to you is how amazing it LOOKS. You must be knowledgeable for posting it so please enlighten me as to how MS 2024 gets core scientific/aviation flight sim attributes more accurate than the 1982 attempt. 

I'm being serious, unless you DID just post it to poke fun of 20th century gfx. 

Let me save you some time and refer you to the developer's own feature lists.

If you can't derive the relative advantages over those, then there's little hope for you.

17 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

 

2 consecutive posts, 2 insults to 2 different people. Go on why not do the hat trick?

They're not insults, they're my honest opinion. And I usually support my opinions with objective facts.

I've no idea where your "facts" come from...

Why do people have to go tribal about a game? There are people who enjoy FSX, P3D, XP, AeroFly and MSFS. Good for them! Play what you like and respect the fact that others might like something else.