1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I am confused. Some people say that MSFS 2024 runs better than MSFS 2020 on the same specification hardware. Others say that you need a powerful PC to be able to run it properly. So which one is it?

MSFS 2024 runs better than MSFS 2020 on my rig, but then again my macinery is not bad at all.

9 hours ago, 177B said:

the B407 for XP12. Just to compare sims. Frankly I just cant play XP12 anymore I feel like I am in a cartoon.

I still love XP (and the JRX B407, too 😁), but I just can't fly it unless I've got Orbx True Earth underneath me.

Same thing with Prepar3D.

So when I want to fly anywhere there's no True Earth, it's an automatic choice for MSFS. 🤙

Please no more of these posts. Carcus has been eaten.

Edited December 28, 20241 yr by MikeH99

24 minutes ago, MikeH99 said:

Please no more of these posts. Carcus has been eaten.

Carcass.

I'm also running 64GB ram, and FS2024 uses between 40-50GB of that memory during gameplay. So I do believe 64GB is important. My 4090 on the other hand is only using 14GB. I'm using ultra everything and gaming in 1440p. I plan to buy a 4k monitor soon.

12 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I am confused. Some people say that MSFS 2024 runs better than MSFS 2020 on the same specification hardware. Others say that you need a powerful PC to be able to run it properly. So which one is it?

'24 is much more GPU demanding, so people who were already GPU limited in MSFS are taking a hit, while people who were main thread limited (CPU limited) are experiencing more smoothness due to better multithreading. 

13 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I am confused. Some people say that MSFS 2024 runs better than MSFS 2020 on the same specification hardware. Others say that you need a powerful PC to be able to run it properly. So which one is it?

My rig, in my sig, runs FS 2024 smoother and stutter free compared to FS 2020.

I also use Xp12 and while it is overall crispier than FS 2024, it stutters at times, for instance when panning around in the cockpit, while in FS 2024 it is always smooth as silk...

Given the added detail on -> default <- scenery, which is notorious, I have to say that, at least for me, FS 2024 is the most optimized simulator I have used so far.

The only thing I've been on the fence to do is buying an additional 32 GB RAM and get to 64 GB, because it will probably benefit the streaming side of FS 2024. 

Edited December 28, 20241 yr by jcomm

On my rig, Intel 12900kf, 32GB ram and GTX 3080ti, in VR ms2024 runs much better than 2020. I can now run Tlod 200 where in 2020 I could only use 100. So for me I can even run 2024 with better settings and still have better performance than 2020. Im very satisfied with 2024:)

19 hours ago, 177B said:

Frankly I just cant play XP12 anymore I feel like I am in a cartoon

The word 'play' is the give away here. 

I havent touch it much since release so i took the day to do some flights (GA) with a few addons.

I noticed that the A321LR sometimes doesnt show up in the menu ? strange but i installed the Fenix and tested the performance around KSFO (really good default btw) and it was on pair with MSFS2020 . Maybe a little lower but it could be down to settings.

GA flights was done in the SR22 and ground was not as good as in MSFS2020 (high vs ULTRA settings)

I will be back again soon

Michael Moe

14 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

The word 'play' is the give away here. 

XP12 is no more a game than MSFS 2020 or MSFS 2024. 

42 minutes ago, RobJC said:

XP12 is no more a game than MSFS 2020 or MSFS 2024. 

Correct. XP12 is undeniably LESS a game than those others. 

47 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Correct. XP12 is undeniably LESS a game than those others. 

Wrong. XP 12 has vastly inferior default GA avionics than MSFS 2024.  MSFS 2024 has the best default GA avionics for a flight sim, it has the best default G1000, G3000, G5000, and G3X for a flight sim. You can't even buy a better default G1000, G3000, G5000, or G3X payware version than the one in MSFS 2020/2024. And now Working Title has added the Honeywell Primus Epic 2 and Universal UNS-1 to MSFS 2024.

In addition, some real life pilots feel MSFS 2024 has the best flight dynamics now, better than XP 12. You can check page 9 out of this flight dynamics thread for multiple MSFS 2024 to XP 12 flight dynamics comparison:

XP 12 has vastly fake ground data and uses autogen compared to MSFS 2024 which attempts to use AI to scan the actual satellite imagery and compose a 3D building or 3D object off of that.  While not perfect, it even used AI to pick out the locations of the trees that are rendered in MSFS compared to the location of the tree in the real world: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/games/articles/2021/07/microsoft-flight-simulator-the-future-of-game-development/

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"Azure is taking hundreds or tens of thousands of jobs and dispatching them on many computers," Wloch says, "in order to not wait two years until you get your trees." Detecting trees on a worldwide scale may take days of computing time—but once detected, the tree metadata is stored in Azure Storage, ready to stream to any number of players as needed.

The 3D objects and tree locations in XP 12? Yeah, they are all fake locations and fakely generated.

Finally, you may argue that XP 12 with the correct hardware is FAA certified (because without the correct hardware, it isn't FAA certified), but the vast majority of real life pilots are using MSFS. MSFS dominates the Navigraph survey and something like 25% of 30% of Navigraph survey are real life pilots.  Plus, Avsim is littered with real life pilots and they are overwhelmingly using MSFS, be it MSFS 2020 or MSFS 2024. One last thing, Matt Nischan from Working Title has said that MSFS could attempt to become FAA certified but it's not a priority for the MSFS team at the moment (the comment was posted here on Avsim, but I don't have the link for it at the moment).  Even FSX was FAA certified but as a flight simulator, it's no better than MSFS!

So XP 12 is arguably more of a "game" than MSFS 2024.

Edited December 29, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

you may argue that XP 12 with the correct hardware is FAA certified,

I don't need to you just did it for me. It's not an argument of course it's a fact. Not bad for a game! 

No Asobe will game will ever come close to being officially sanctioned for flight training by any professional body while core simulation functions remain encrypted. They are just not flexible enough. Almost everything is a compromise. 

I've never owned xplane so I can't be accused of loyalty blindness. I've watched and learned from plenty of live streams by knowledgeable users. Never seen anyone flying through blue boxes, skipping to approach, starting on the runway in external view, looping a 747 then laughing when it crashed, getting 16.5 billion points and a A grade for ppl licence test after crashing on final, becoming a jet pilot in 4 hours by skipping all lessons and just doing exams and over speeding by 70kts with full flaps down during go around.. Either. 

Please enjoy your software application, it's obvious that you do.. But.. Please stop calling it the best sim ever. That's practically flat earth territory 🌎

 

26 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

I don't need to you just did it for me. It's not an argument of course it's a fact. Not bad for a game! 

No Asobe will game will ever come close to being officially sanctioned for flight training by any professional body while core simulation functions remain encrypted. They are just not flexible enough. Almost everything is a compromise. 

I've never owned xplane so I can't be accused of loyalty blindness. I've watched and learned from plenty of live streams by knowledgeable users. Never seen anyone flying through blue boxes, skipping to approach, starting on the runway in external view, looping a 747 then laughing when it crashed, getting 16.5 billion points and a A grade for ppl licence test after crashing on final, becoming a jet pilot in 4 hours by skipping all lessons and just doing exams and over speeding by 70kts with full flaps down during go around.. Either. 

Please enjoy your software application, it's obvious that you do.. But.. Please stop calling it the best sim ever. That's practically flat earth territory 🌎

 

🤡

Oh look, the original MSFS from 1982 by Bruce Artwick doesn't have career mode and you can't fly through blue boxes.  It must be a better flight simulator than MSFS 2024 is and less of a game than MSFS 2024 is!

 

Edited December 29, 20241 yr by abrams_tank