51 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

If the *only* improvements/additions were career mode and world rendering visuals then one could question the cost of the new sim. But that's obviously not the case is it.. and you interestingly chose the top version for $200 to question cost justification, but that's for a version with a lot of extra aircraft.

From a previous post of mine, the base 2024 sim has these improvements/additions over 2020

$200 is a hell of a lot for a sim and I’m surprised there’s no extra PG cities. But your list is extensive and adds much to the base version. Thanks for posting the  extras. 👍

Has anyone done a poll showing the most popular versions?

17 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

$200 is a hell of a lot for a sim and I’m surprised there’s no extra PG cities.

I seem to remember P3d being rather more than $200.

Or did you pretend to be an “academic” and use the academic edition? 

Edited December 29, 20241 yr by JonathanC

How many PG cities does P3D have again?

Looked it up and yes, P3d before v6 was $350. Then they had the Academic Edition which was not supposed to be for home use and was a breach of the license if you used it for home use. 
 

With v6, P3d introduced the home edition for $60. Wonderful what competition does. 

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

 

If the *only* improvements/additions were career mode and world rendering visuals then one could question the cost of the new sim. But that's obviously not the case is it.. and you interestingly chose the top version for $200 to question cost justification, but that's for a version with a lot of extra aircraft.

From a previous post of mine, the base 2024 sim has these improvements/additions over 2020 (standard edition is $70, premium deluxe is $130, etc):

- improved flight dynamics, improved aircraft creation/development tools
- much improved and revamped ground handling and related physics, water physics
- much improved ground details (which also goes hand in hand with the ground physics above)
- new atmospheric photometric lighting engine, ray-traced cockpit lighting
- default birds like the ini A330, ini A321LR etc which by all accounts are of considerable fidelity for default, along with the various other default birds that have improved FMs/systems/avionics/etc
- improved rendering of clouds, clouds density, clouds lighting, new cloud types, etc
- 24hr historical snapshot of the MSFS world (not just all the MSFS weather served for the past 24 hrs but also traffic/other data)
- seasons, 3D trees, multiple diverse biomes
- a default capable and complex flight planner, LIDO charts, etc
- native dx12 support
- better multi-threading
- aviation activities, and related new physics (soft-body, load carrying, etc) and interaction with flight dynamics
- an already payware-grade avionics suite default in 2020 further improved in 2024.. and new Primus Epic 2 & Universal UNS-1
- new default EFB, improved default systems, wear and tear
- more and diverse type of AI traffic aircraft types and better livery matching
- thin client

 

I bought all this for €130. It really gets old and tired when folks continue to reduce MSFS 2024 to "career mode and improved visuals". That is simply not true.

Many of the default aircraft are quite good - watch the youtube videos of "Real World Pilots" like V1-Simulations, 320SimPilot, A330 Driver, etc. Admittedly, some, like the CareNodo planes, still need a lot of work. 

Courtesy of WT, you get a whole new avioncis package. 

The default MSFS flight planner, with its integration of the Lido charts, is a massive improvement over previous "flight planning tools" that came with the sim. 

All this for €130. There is absolutely no need to spend another penny on anything, if you don't want to. 

3 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

I have next week some vacation day and there is a 14 days free offer in game pass I will surely install 2024 to see with my own eyes the improvements they comment in physics and flight model. I will not make the final purchase as long as they continue to insist that there is no offline mode, I already made that mistake by investing money and time in Google Stadia would be stupid of me to fall back into the same trap of cloud play.

That's exactly what I did. Game pass!. Apart from the excellent traffic of FS2024 and its incredible ATC. Disciplined and exemplary behavior of workers and cars on the tarmac. Apart from the real precise weather with its daily fogs... Apart from revolutionary photogrammetry. Except for the trees and buildings growing beneath my feet. Despite only that! Everything is fine ! and I enjoy Fenix , Beyondatc and Active Sky. I'm also not stingy with all the visual humor that FS2024 inflicts on us. A gift from heaven!

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

$200 is a hell of a lot for a sim and I’m surprised there’s no extra PG cities.

PG cities have been, and are being added over time.  It really is not the main selling feature for MSFS.

And as you have noted, the $200 price tag is only for those who want to bundle in a bunch of additional payware quality aircraft..  I doubt that many went for that option, but if they did, that would be the reason.

37 minutes ago, Krakin said:

How many PG cities does P3D have again?

Why do you feel it’s necessary to bring P3D into the discussion? If I did that I would be pilloried. I could have hidden your post as off topic but I’d rather answer it.

43 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

I seem to remember P3d being rather more than $200.

Or did you pretend to be an “academic” and use the academic edition? 

No pretence whatsoever. My requirements matched that of the Academic license. Another person bringing P3D into a MSFS discussion. Tut tut! 😁

4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

My requirements matched that of the Academic license

Right. So you pretended that you are an academic and violated the licensing terms. Cool cool cool. 

2 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

PG cities have been, and are being added over time.  It really is not the main selling feature for MSFS.

Dallas is the ninth largest US city. Never been included in any update for 2020. Still missing in 2024. What’s important to prospective buyers won’t always be the same.

Just now, JonathanC said:

Right. So you pretended that you are an academic and violated the licensing terms. Cool cool cool. 

Any more talk of P3D and your posts will be hidden. You’re clearly on a wind-up mission. You’ve failed.

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Any more talk of P3D and your posts will be hidden. You’re clearly on a wind-up mission. You’ve failed.

Sure, cancel me for making a completely truthful and factual statement just cause your “feels” are hurt. That’s the world we live in now. 

And back on topic, there’s literally nothing out there that provides even a quarter of the value that MSFS 2020 AND 2024 provide. 
 

All other sims (can’t name em or else I’ll get cancelled!) require a lot of investment before they even approach usability. Starting with planes - most sims have terrible default planes and the first thing you need to do is download a ton of third party stuff, free or paid. Scenery .. nothing to say here that hasn’t been said. 
 

Free and built in Charts(2024) Flight planner(all FS versions for a long while now)

Massive third party ecosystem with amazing new developers coming on board everyday?

As someone that spent a ton of money on all the sims (buying the right version cost me, but it was the right thing to do), I for one am very pleased that MSFS exists. 

19 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

Right. So you pretended that you are an academic and violated the licensing terms. Cool cool cool. 

Massive YAWN.

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

I bought all this for €130. It really gets old and tired when folks continue to reduce MSFS 2024 to "career mode and improved visuals". That is simply not true.

Many of the default aircraft are quite good - watch the youtube videos of "Real World Pilots" like V1-Simulations, 320SimPilot, A330 Driver, etc. Admittedly, some, like the CareNodo planes, still need a lot of work. 

Courtesy of WT, you get a whole new avioncis package. 

The default MSFS flight planner, with its integration of the Lido charts, is a massive improvement over previous "flight planning tools" that came with the sim. 

All this for €130. There is absolutely no need to spend another penny on anything, if you don't want to. 

Hi,

Just wondering if you Upgraded ($$) your PC for MSFS2024?

I will need a full new ($$) PC and monitor.

Notes:
I do not fly default aircraft except for isolated testing.

I use Navigraph Simbrief for MSFS2020 and other Simulators.
I use Navigraph Charts for MSFS2020 and other Simulators.
I use Navigraph Navdata for MSFS2020 and other Simulators.

I expect my MSFS2020 investment to last the 10 year life cycle of MSFS2020 with regular Updates and improvements.

I was expecting my purchased MSFS2020 aircraft, helicopters, scenery, and avionics products to be easily ported into MSFS2024.
Currently watching the forums to see if that is happening.

So, in my case, it is not time for a MSFS2024 unexpected purchase mid way through the MSFS2020 life cycle.
It is not the cost of MSFS2024. It is just that I am not yet ready for MSFS2024.

I am currently part of the 67% in Dillon’s poll here:
https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/659303-who-all-stayed-or-went-back-to-2020-after-2024-released/

2 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Just wondering if you Upgraded ($$) your PC for MSFS2024?

Nope. 

3060TI, 32 Gigs of Ram, 1440p ultrawidescreen monitor.