February 9, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, psolk said: You are almost talking apples to Oranges. TAA is a fixed AA DLSS is an AI technology to downsize then upscale the image allowing for better performance and increased detail. In some games DLSS is also the best looking option, not necessarily in FS DLAA would be the comparison to TAA. This is also fixed and very similar to DLSS but without the downscaling/upscaling Now there are different DLSS "modes" which in Nvidia's terms determine how much the image is downscaled before rendering Quality I believe is a 33% downscale, Low is a 66% reduction and Ultra is essentially the equivalent of DLAA because it is not downscaling the image. So this now questions Asobo's implementation at least within 2020. You can enable DLSS with DLAA as your Super Resolution. According to Nvidia this isn't how it works and it is either DLSS or DLAA not both. I actually think this is why people are seeing such varied results. 1. It depends what DLSS setting you are using, low, quality or Ultra and my understanding is if you are using DLAA which I am then you are not downsizing the screen at all. Hence why in my case I think Lossless Frame Generation still helps for the FG as I am running in 5K at Ultra with DLAA enabled which means I "shouldn't" be downscaling my iamge. DLSS- Best performance and supposed to be Best image quality DLAA- Benefits of DLSS without the downscaling, Best image Quality TAA- Lower level of AA than DLAA, lower IQ So if you don't want DLSS, run DLAA... In my case - FS 2024 - I have DLSS and under AA I chose DLAA. Does that mean that after all I am not actually using DLSS ? I do still see the ghosting effects, although not as pronnounced as before DLSS4. Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 9, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, psolk said: my understanding is if you are using DLAA which I am then you are not downsizing the screen at all That's right. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
February 9, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, jcomm said: In my case - FS 2024 - I have DLSS and under AA I chose DLAA. Does that mean that after all I am not actually using DLSS ? I do still see the ghosting effects, although not as pronnounced as before DLSS4. This is why I question how Asobo has implemented it. It's the same as 2020 they have DLSS with DLAA as the Super Resolution so in Asobo's world they are working together but according to Nvidia it is one or the other because if you are using DLSS at anything other than Ultra you aren't using DLAA which means you are downscaling the image... According to Nvidia DLSS and DLAA are the two premier and similar but separate and actually conflicting technologies. DLSS for a combination of perfomance/IQ with AI scaling DLAA for the best possible IQ with no DLSS scaling. TAA is below DLAA Edited February 9, 20251 yr by psolk Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
February 9, 20251 yr 19 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said: I didn't install the hotfix driver, didn't see any need to. 2.0.4.11? Last nvidia Inspector Frédéric Giraud
February 9, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, psolk said: This is why I question how Asobo has implemented it. It's the same as 2020 they have DLSS with DLAA as the Super Resolution so in Asobo's world they are working together but according to Nvidia it is one or the other because if you are using DLSS at anything other than Ultra you aren't using DLAA which means you are downscaling the image... According to Nvidia DLSS and DLAA are the two premier and similar but separate and actually conflicting technologies. DLSS for a combination of perfomance/IQ with AI scaling DLAA for the best possible IQ with no DLSS scaling. TAA is below DLAA Ok, thx for the clarification! I am finally starting to get it... Right now, in the middle of my morning EGLL-LPPT flight in the Inibuilds 321N I've switched from : Anti-aliasing = DLSS NVIIDIA DLSS super resolution = DLAA TO --> NVIDIA DLSS super resolution = Quality and will experiment with this one. THANK YOU ! Edited February 9, 20251 yr by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 9, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, psolk said: You are almost talking apples to Oranges. TAA is a fixed AA DLSS is an AI technology to downsize then upscale the image allowing for better performance and increased detail. In some games DLSS is also the best looking option, not necessarily in FS DLAA would be the comparison to TAA. This is also fixed and very similar to DLSS but without the downscaling/upscaling Now there are different DLSS "modes" which in Nvidia's terms determine how much the image is downscaled before rendering Quality I believe is a 33% downscale, Low is a 66% reduction and Ultra is essentially the equivalent of DLAA because it is not downscaling the image. So this now questions Asobo's implementation at least within 2020. You can enable DLSS with DLAA as your Super Resolution. According to Nvidia this isn't how it works and it is either DLSS or DLAA not both. I actually think this is why people are seeing such varied results. 1. It depends what DLSS setting you are using, low, quality or Ultra and my understanding is if you are using DLAA which I am then you are not downsizing the screen at all. Hence why in my case I think Lossless Frame Generation still helps for the FG as I am running in 5K at Ultra with DLAA enabled which means I "shouldn't" be downscaling my iamge. DLSS- Best performance and supposed to be Best image quality DLAA- Benefits of DLSS without the downscaling, Best image Quality TAA- Lower level of AA than DLAA, lower IQ So if you don't want DLSS, run DLAA... Thank you for the explanation. But, all these are DLSS based, so no matter the mode or profile, all will produce ghosting, right? And currently the "best" ghosting you can get, is with replacement DLL, Nvidia App latest and confirmed profile K via registry? It does still say DLSSv3 however, even if Profile K is shown. I would have expected to show DLSSv4. Edited February 9, 20251 yr by Simon_C
February 9, 20251 yr 11 minutes ago, Simon_C said: Thank you for the explanation. But, all these are DLSS based, so no matter the mode or profile, all will produce ghosting, right? And currently the "best" ghosting you can get, is with replacement DLL, Nvidia App latest and confirmed profile K via registry? It does still say DLSSv3 however, even if Profile K is shown. I would have expected to show DLSSv4. Not really but kind of LOL They are both Deep Learning technologies. DLSS and DLAA are AI based but the SS in DLSS is the Super Sampling which is the resolution scaling. DLAA is Deep Learning AA without the resolution scaling so IF it is the resolution scaling causing the ghosting then DLAA should not have any ghosting. It was also indicated in the other threat I will link here that the Frame locking is impacting the ghosting people are seeing as well. So until we know EXACTLY what is causing the ghosting we can't definitively say. As for the "best" ghosting you can get well there are multiple ways to skin the cat and it is also dependent on 2020 vs 2024 as 2020 seems to actually have better native support even in DLSS swapper but yes, the latest files with the nvidia inspector profile. I do not make any registry changes on my machine. Here is the other link talking about ghosting and frame lock. Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
February 9, 20251 yr 22 minutes ago, Simon_C said: It does still say DLSSv3 however, even if Profile K is shown. I would have expected to show DLSSv4. It’s super-confusing, but 310.2 is the latest DLSS4. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
February 9, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, Cpt_Piett said: It’s super-confusing This is an understatement! I didn't even know what I didn't know about what I was setting in the sim and what the actual setting meant LOL. And I still don't understand how Asobo has implemented DLSS and DLAA Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
February 9, 20251 yr Never mind... The Chinese will come up with a revolutionary technique one of these days, and cheap GPUs too 😁 Edited February 9, 20251 yr by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 9, 20251 yr Apologies if this has been answered already in this thread but if so I didn't see it discussed. Is the general consensus at this point that we don't need to force the Preset J or K through Inspector in order to get the transform model working? The drivers should just automatically do this when we select 'latest' in the Nvidia app?
February 9, 20251 yr I reckon half of these improvements are Voodoo bullsh1t and there is some nerdy coder laughing in his basement as he reads posts claiming X-more FPS, Y-better IQ and Z- increased sharpness😁
February 9, 20251 yr 10 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said: That's right. How do you get DLSS Ultra Quality option to show in MSFS 2020? I only have Auto, DLAA, DLSS Quality, DLSS Balanced, DLSS Performance and DLSS Ultra Performance. and btw, does anyone know why my info on the bottom left says Autoexposure: ON, while I'm seeing that you guys have this setting OFF. How do you turn that setting off? I don't see it anywhere in the MSFS graphics settings. ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
February 10, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, captain420 said: How do you get DLSS Ultra Quality option to show in MSFS 2020? I only have Auto, DLAA, DLSS Quality, DLSS Balanced, DLSS Performance and DLSS Ultra Performance. and btw, does anyone know why my info on the bottom left says Autoexposure: ON, while I'm seeing that you guys have this setting OFF. How do you turn that setting off? I don't see it anywhere in the MSFS graphics settings. It used to be possible to change a setting in Inspector to enable ultra quality. I haven’t seen this in a while so I’m thinking it’s not available anymore. Im not sure about question nr 2. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
February 10, 20251 yr 20 hours ago, psolk said: DLAA for the best possible IQ with no DLSS scaling. TAA is below DLAA I have compared the quality of TAA and DLAA many times at my place I have noticeably better clarity with TAA! Here is an example of TAA and DLAA (everything else is the same!) Edited February 10, 20251 yr by SMN204
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