3 minutes ago, turbomax said:

if you see this watermark text in the lower left corner (per registry entry), then you are 100% sure that all is good.

I do indeed ... and I have no issue with the Swapper - it's easy to use and the latest version also allows you to toggle that info, so you don't need the registry hack any more. I was just wondering if the three DLLs were now redundant (apparently not!).

After multiple flights (which rebuild all the various caches) I'm seeing slightly more improvement than I did before so I'm a happy camper!

26 minutes ago, Adamski_NZ said:

it's easy to use and the latest version also allows you to toggle that info, so you don't need the registry hack any more.

not exactly the same: unlike the registry entry: DLSS Swapper does not display if the correct Preset was applied, like "Preset K"

1 hour ago, Adamski_NZ said:

Is DLSS Swapper (and therefore the DLLs it updates) actually required - or is the new driver (572.16) all you need now? 

There´s probably nothing wrong with using swapper (or replace the files manually), but apparently it’s not 100% necessary.

On 2/2/2025 at 5:28 PM, TENPATROL said:

DLSS Swapper is needed if you want to swap files manually and don’t have the latest driver. If you have the latest driver and don’t want to swap files manually or use NVIDIA app, then by following my guide, you will always have the latest DLSS 4 – game files are not replaced.

Below is a link to the original guide.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/nvidia-game-ready-driver-572-16/702204/217?u=tenpatrol

Well,

after a few flights at 60 FPS most of the time, I reverted back to good old TAA @ 30 FPS. 

This is still my best choice, at least for the system I have, keeping a smooth and stable 30 FPS display, and temps, both CPU and GPU never exceeding 60ºC...

Maybe one day if I get a 4k or 5k I'll revisit DLSS 🙂

Anyway, this thread with the original tutorial, and @Cpt_Piett's youtube tutorial were at least worth the practice 🙂

6 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

but apparently it’s not 100% necessary.

some sort of tool is indeed always necessary, Swapper or the somewhat irritating NVidia app, unless you copy them manually. it is a misconception to assume the driver, even the latest 572.16 would do that for you. as is evident after each and every update of MSFS2024. you will always have to repeat that DLL copy routine again. the NVidia driver won't do it for you. that's all I wanted to say.

4 minutes ago, turbomax said:

that's all I wanted to say

That’s okay, I’m not invested in any particular opinion re: the need to swap or not to swap. I just find it interesting that Ian in his original post and TenPatrol which had the original guide, claims that the swapping business can be skipped, as the driver will somehow contain the necessary bits and pieces.

I’ve still replaced the files manually, as someone pointed me to some shiny new versions 🙂

Edited February 3, 20251 yr by Cpt_Piett

2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I just find it interesting that Ian in his original post and TenPatrol which had the original guide, claims that the swapping business can be skipped, as the driver will somehow contain the necessary bits and pieces.

Ian simply copied verbatim what TenPatrol  (to his disappointment) had posted earlier in the official MSFS forum.

"the swapping business" can not be skipped to install/update the 3 NVidia DLSS DLLs. The driver has never, even the latest DLSS4 572.16 version, installed those into the game, that is always a job for the game developer and MS/Asobo have always, with each and every update, installed them again. But they unfortunately still install older versions, not yet the DLSS4 versions.

TenPatrol "forgot" to mention how he got the new DLSS DLLs into the game. 😃  once they are installed, yes indeed you only need to change the preset.

The 3 new DLSS4 DLLs did not get installed by the driver, they were taken from the latest DLSS4 enabled CyberPunk and uploaded to the usual suspect sites.

to test: simply  remove the 3 DLLs from  C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.Limitless_1.3.10.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe and you'll loose FrameGeneration and SuperResolution, only TAA, AMD's FSR 2 or OFF is left, no matter if NVidiaApp nor NVidiaProfileInspector nor the driver install will bring them back. these tools only allow to change a game specific "PROFILE", like adding the new K-Profile for example.

that's why I said: update the 3 DLLs manually or preferably use Swapper.

I expect that Asobo will update the respective 3 DLLs to the new DLSS4  in one of their upcoming updates pretty soon.

Edited February 4, 20251 yr by turbomax

7 minutes ago, turbomax said:

to test: simply  remove the 3 DLLs from  C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.Limitless_1.3.10.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe and you'll loose FrameGeneration and SuperResolution, only TAA, AMD's FSR 2 or OFF is left, no matter if NVidiaApp nor NVidiaProfileInspector nor the driver install will bring them back. these tools only allow to change a game specific "PROFILE", like adding the new K-Profile for example.

Good point. I already had the Cyberpunk DLSS4 .dll files in place from the week before the latest driver released, as did many others as well I suppose.

Giddy aunt!

Just got my PC back after a stupid MS update cacked my USB ports grr

Tried to install the above and now the sim CTDs every time at 90% loading! What thew actual heck!

Now trying to diagnose all this faff

A decent looking sim with DLSS 4, but it is not perfect. Better performance, image quality is impressive and no ghosting. But as you know, good things never last in MSFS. It’ll be broken again in a week.  What’s remarkable is that I did not make a single change to the Nvidia Control Panel after I upgraded to DLSS4.  I haven’t touched anything and it’s running like butter. My new philosophy: leave the sim alone and just fly!

20 minutes ago, vonduck said:

What thew actual heck!

you're more than welcome to the club 😁

So after having read about multiple working and not working approaches, what is the easiest way to do this without the App :

- Install the new drivers 

- DLSS Swapper ? NV Inspector ? Both ?

15 minutes ago, GSalden said:

So after having read about multiple working and not working approaches, what is the easiest way to do this without the App :

- Install the new drivers 

- DLSS Swapper ? NV Inspector ? Both ?

I'm no expert, but this is what has worked for me (and now that we know that the three DLLs are definitely *required*):

1) New/latest nVidia drivers (I use NVCleanstall).
2) DLSS Swapper (toggle the info visibility if required).
3) The nVidia Inspector tweaks to get profile K to work.

 

On 1/31/2025 at 4:37 PM, Cpt_Piett said:

I finally had some time to fiddle with this. 

Nvidia App: all DLSS override settings for both 2020 and 2024 were greyed out

I did all the steps described by Ian and TenPatrol. This is what the DLSS indicator shows:

Hopefully that means that DLSS4 is working 

I get render preset c
all other values are ok. What does the render preset say

 

6 minutes ago, f.skywalker said:

I get render preset c
all other values are ok. What does the render preset say

Follow the instructions in the first post of this thread. You need to use the latest version of nvidia profile inspector.