That home cockpit in the opening post is fabulous for someone who only ever flies airliners. I tend to jump from one type to another, so it would be a bit wasted on me. I couldn't fly Ant's Tiger Moth amidst all of that.

8 minutes ago, Paul K said:

That home cockpit in the opening post is fabulous for someone who only ever flies airliners. I tend to jump from one type to another, so it would be a bit wasted on me. I couldn't fly Ant's Tiger Moth amidst all of that.

If you can afford that you can afford a second setup for the "rest of your planes and helos" 🙂  

I have two physical sims for my driving and my flightsim not one sim that I swap the HW back and forth, I'm sure the guy in the video can swing that too 🙂  

18 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

It is also quite funny that some people see excitement, awe, amazement and enjoyment as a defence for a product.

Well  --  I see excitement, awe, amazement and enjoyment in MS2024. Not defending anything, just expressing my experience with this sim. Glad you are amused, and I guess we are both happy!

22 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Yet you include the phrase 'simulated Flight'!

stop trying to make it more than a Game and accept the truth,  I have been playing flightsim since 95 it always has and always will be a game. You play it and its make believe

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by jason74

19 hours ago, Paul K said:

I tend to jump from one type to another, so it would be a bit wasted on me. I couldn't fly Ant's Tiger Moth amidst all of that.

For that VR is a great solution. The immersion feeling is much closer to that of a home cockpit than to the usual screen based setups. And, it correctly displays every single aircraft type in the sim. Just taking a seat in the Tiger Moth in VR or any other cockpit is a sight to behold.

19 hours ago, psolk said:

I think you should read the rest of what you wrote and stop with the KI-tool 

Gamers envy others? 

You using the sim to train for your real flights hurts others feelings?

Sure, KI-tool 

I learned to fly in 1996 on a PA28 Warrior and flew for 10 years, MSFS is a game, flying in it is nowhere near realistic anyone that thinks it is has never flown a real aircraft. Yes you can practice some navigation procedures but none off the aircraft fly realistically and I mean none.    Put simmers in a real aircraft or LevelD sim and watch them come unstuck. Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by jason74

6 minutes ago, jason74 said:

Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

Actually lets be real here, Simulators simulate a chosen objective. A game has an objective that competing parties try to overcome in order to "win the game". Sorry to be pedantic but it sounds like you're just using the sweeping generalisation that anything relating to graphics and controllers on a TV screen must be a game, like say, my grandparents would.

 

2 hours ago, jason74 said:

You play it and its make believe

I used it to practice flights in MSFS before flying the exercises for real at Elstree airfield.  The simulated flights were remarkably close to the real flight, helping greatly with the training.

For me, this doesn't make MSFS 'make believe' so I will always refer to it as a flight Simulator.

 

None.    Of.    This.   Matters.

Just do what you want to do with this stuff. Build a cockpit like in the OP's video. Fly Jumbos upside down under bridges. By definition none of this is real. So just do what you want to do with it and stop worrying what other people do with it.

 

Wouldn't it be cheaper to have Boeing ship you a discarded 737 cockpit?

2 hours ago, jason74 said:

I learned to fly in 1996 on a PA28 Warrior and flew for 10 years, MSFS is a game, flying in it is nowhere near realistic anyone that thinks it is has never flown a real aircraft. Yes you can practice some navigation procedures but none off the aircraft fly realistically and I mean none.    Put simmers in a real aircraft or LevelD sim and watch them come unstuck. Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

Couldn't disagree with you more.

My very first flight real world flight showed just how a home flight simulator can be very useful for training. You are correct that MSFS will not replicate exactly how the real aircraft will behave, but a top quality aircraft addon will be close enough to help, rather than hinder, how to fly an aircraft.  

The MSFS simulated aircraft has the same controls, same avionics and same checklists, so is invaluable with training. The view of the world is remarkably similar, allowing VFR navigation using the same visual reference points as the real world.  Weather is simulated to real world conditions too.  'Study level' aircraft will enable practicing emergency procedures very close to the real world aircraft.

 

3 hours ago, jason74 said:

Put simmers in a real aircraft or LevelD sim and watch them come unstuck. Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

Actually, flew a full motion LVL-D in a 757 in Las Vegas and did very well...  I will admit I was sweating like I just ran a marthon in a Sauna when I came out LMAO but even the instructor and the guy controlling all of the variables were quite impressed.  

The highlight of it for me was the sounds, I couldn't believe they simulate every squeak and rattle and the lowlight was the graphics LOL.  Granted this was 10 years ago but the graphics looked like a stripped down P3D LOL.  

As for the rest of this whether you call it a game or a sim, I couldn't  @Ianrivaldosmith (got it correct) care less and how you use it has zero impact on me so I wish everyone enjoyment whether they use it as a game or a sim 🙂

Ironically, none of the desktop aviation titles (see what I did there) are certified for any type of training without certified hardware because as I have said, the difference between something on a screen and a real simulator is muscle memory...   That's what so much of the training is about and THAT you don't get at a desk unless you have all the HW recreated (as I do 🙂 )  

It's why every switch in my race sim downstairs is a perfect match to the real car, the pedals are the same distance from the seat, the brake pedal requires the EXACT same pressure as the real car, the seat is in the exact same position and even the monitor matches the size of the front windshield...  It is built to be a 1:1 replica of my real car... In every sense of the word it is a simulator (played like a game with no real world ramifications) down to the track being laser scanned so if there is a crack in the asphalt in real life it is there in the sim as it "could" be your braking point!  One of the best things is playing with the car setup in the sim and seeing the impact.  Set the shocks to full soft, then full hard, disconnect the sway bars, everything will mimic 1:1 and you can get a pretty accurate setup for the real car from the sim...

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by psolk

What the OP was trying to convey I believe is that if MSFS really is something that some usual suspects eagerly try to cast it as (i.e. just visuals, only for casual fun, bla bla), then what the video creator did with his home cockpit wouldn't be possible. Of course a great majority of the flight simming community knows MSFS can be used for serious flight/aviation simming, and just because it has extra stuff that prior sims didn't have or do well doesn't mean otherwise.

IMO, if you're not actually flying an aircraft then whatever you're doing in front of a computer monitor, or more complex set-up at home, or even a level-D sim can be called whatever the heck one wants based on what they actually do with it (gaming, simming, etc.. but it's not real 🙂). And certainly when it comes to civilian computer flight sims, whatever one calls MSFS then P3D, XP, etc can also be called exactly that. Regardless of how hard one tries to pretend that their pet sim of choice is the Serious ™️one.
 

4 hours ago, jason74 said:

Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

Nobody said it is like the real thing. It is a simulation of the real thing. No simulator is like the real thing. That should be clear to everybody.

When I use MSFS 2024 to simulate a flight, it is a simulator. There are important aspects of flight simulation, that are simulated better in MSFS 2024 than in any other flight simulator, also better than in those costing millions.

But when I use it to fly unrealistic scenarios, it could be gaming. You can play games in any simulator, also in those costing millions.

 

4 hours ago, jason74 said:

I learned to fly in 1996 on a PA28 Warrior and flew for 10 years, MSFS is a game, flying in it is nowhere near realistic anyone that thinks it is has never flown a real aircraft. Yes you can practice some navigation procedures but none off the aircraft fly realistically and I mean none.    Put simmers in a real aircraft or LevelD sim and watch them come unstuck. Playing a game is not the real thing no matter how much you convince  yourself.

A level D sim has also nothing to do with real flying. Perhaps you should check what the definition of "simulation" means.