@jcomm if you like your lighting making the entire world look like you're in the PNW or England outside of the summer months, then more power to you. If you like your cloud depiction to be at a lower resolution with lightening that looks like a quick snap of a bitmap, with no indication of where rain is falling until it magically appears when you get under the cloud, then more power to you too lol

I'm sorry but I do not trust the opinion of any real pilot who has personal interests in social networks. We all know in the end that if they are looking for visitors they can't say many times what they think, it's not because the developers don't provide them with free copies, it's because many users have become hooligans in this small world that is the simulation, then come the cancellations, the loss of subscribers and the disrespect.

 

Fenix is a great product, FSlabs and Toliss also I think it is already personal preference of each one to use what he likes more.

I personally use Toliss, because I have the best feelings with it and I feel much more comfortable in xplane, curiously the real pilots I know are still with FSlabs and P3D.

23 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I'm sorry but I do not trust the opinion of any real pilot who has personal interests in social networks. 

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Fenix is a great product, FSlabs and Toliss also I think it is already personal preference of each one to use what he likes more.

I personally use Toliss, because I have the best feelings with it and I feel much more comfortable in xplane, curiously the real pilots I know are still with FSlabs and P3D.

 

By that argument, the opinions of *any* IRL pilots on social media cannot be taken seriously then 🙂 And if they are being positive about X then those who prefer Y will say that they are biased, and vice versa. It all gets silly fast.

There are various long time IRL pilots who are also long time simmers, who have used multiple sim platforms and aircraft add-ons. If any of them go against one's narrative and or prefer something other than one's own pet sim/aircraft, "they are biased!" is a very weak argument.

Yes Fenix, FSL, Toliss, PMDG, etc all make great high fidelity aircraft, and the differences between each might come down to personal likes/dislikes. And apart from V1 there are other IRL pilots who prefer the Fenix too.

And about flight dynamics of 2024 in general, there are various IRL pilots who have chimed in (i.e. on that thread and elsewhere) who are not on social media. Rather than going by one or two IRL pilots' opinions, I look for general trends and consensus in a multitude of IRL pilots' opinions.

And as hard as it may be to take for some who have long felt only their sim platform can do flight dynamics well (this was a fad when MSFS 2020 first came out), the evolution of 2020 and now 2024, along with the evolution of high fidelity birds for the MSFS platform have shown how silly certain narratives are.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I'm sorry but I do not trust the opinion of any real pilot

I'm with you - that's why I drive everywhere.  

On 3/13/2025 at 9:27 PM, Rusty Spanner said:

certainly the UK especially areas I know well, are now further from looking real than in 2020.

Not impressed so far.

Take off from EGNM and fly South and West.  If you still can't see a difference, make an urgent appointment with an optician,

1 hour ago, Aglos77 said:

We all know in the end that if they are looking for visitors they can't say many times what they think

YouTube is a visual medium - you can see the product being described.  Real pilots can't really lie through their teeth when giving a YouTube review because we would see the inaccuracy.  For example, they couldn't say Airbus XXX is better than the Fenix regarding systems - we can see if something is working or not.  Could they just lie about the handling if we can see the nose bobbing up and down on screen?  Could they lie about ILS tracking accuracy if the runway is only viewable through the First Officers window?

If Real Pilots are always lying about the product they are reviewing, then your post is only here for views, not reasonable content.

1 hour ago, Krakin said:

@jcomm if you like your lighting making the entire world look like you're in the PNW or England outside of the summer months, then more power to you. If you like your cloud depiction to be at a lower resolution with lightening that looks like a quick snap of a bitmap, with no indication of where rain is falling until it magically appears when you get under the cloud, then more power to you too lol

@Krakin, I'm not blind ... For some reason I like FS 2024 and use it... and intend to keep enjoying it for as long as it brings the experience that makes appreciate its various positive aspects.

 

1 hour ago, Aglos77 said:

curiously the real pilots I know are still with FSlabs and P3D.

How can we trust that view as being accurate?  At least the real world pilots giving a review on YouTube let us see!

3 hours ago, RobJC said:

If Austin can get scenery anywhere near 2024 a lot of people would make the switch. 

Spot on! 

There are pros and cons with each flight sim, and personally I would probably use both.  At the moment I exclusively use 2024 because of the excellent terrain graphics out of the box.  I did the downloading of 12 Terabytes of ortho and enjoyed XP12, but the improvement in 2024 terrain has meant not using XP12 for the past four months. 

I find the view that one must use only one sim and defend it to the death, rather silly.

20 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

lots of over exposure of anything white or light toned

That is a problem with your setup, not MSFS 2024.  I know this because I do not see over exposure with anything white or light toned.
 

20 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

the procedural rocks thing that someone here got all excited about alluded me for a while then I worked out that you needed to set 'rocks' to 'ultra' for the effect to work  and even then Its not really a well implemented feature or indeed very relevant.

Landing anywhere you fancied in 2020 was never accurate or relevant.  In 2024 you cannot land anywhere due to increased terrain resolution and - rocks.

2 hours ago, Krakin said:

If you like your cloud depiction to be at a lower resolution with lightening that looks like a quick snap of a bitmap, with no indication of where rain is falling until it magically appears when you get under the cloud, then more power to you too lol

Eh?

 

 

Edited March 16, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer

@MrBitstFlyer I was replying to a post he made about XP12 having better weather rendering and lighting. The things I described applies to XP12, not 2024. Sorry about the confusion.

Again, everyone gets so petty about such silly things. 2024 is rather good and from my understanding, from real-world-pilots who fly and own various sims, like 2020/2024 as a whole. Not everyone is going to model their planes the same way. Not all developers are going to use A2A-style technology.

I keep giving 2024 another chance. Sometimes I feel disappointed (like when it takes forever to load, control mapping fails, stutter every 4 seconds sometimes) but overall is really good.

Most planes feel rather lively, landings are more difficult with the new ground physics, most of my payware scenery and planes are working well, active sky works so it adds more cloud layers, pilot2atc works as usual, fsltl works for liveries, multiplayer works a lot easier so you can fly with friends....

...the performance to "looks" has vast improvements since 2020 and of course from other sims.

That being said, the others sim have their good points. XP12 is looking rather good with mods from what I can. The physics are already there.

Were all of those buildings and other objects PG in that first video?

1 hour ago, Krakin said:

@MrBitstFlyer I was replying to a post he made about XP12 having better weather rendering and lighting. The things I described applies to XP12, not 2024. Sorry about the confusion.

Ah, my apologies ☺️