17 hours ago, desbean said:

Looking more and more like they released it a full year too soon. Should have been FS2025. I've installed it twice and had nothing but problems. Luckily 2020 is still great.

Great ?? It took three years for FS2020 to become satisfactory (I paid for the 787 on day 1). Still waiting for usable save states, usable replays and satisfactory multi-monitor support. Did they promise them ? No, but by hinting at them they have a responsibility to deliver. It’s been 5 years, they haven’t delivered. But I guess at this point it is just my fault because I haven’t upgraded to FS2024. So yea, tomorrow I’m going to buy FS2024 and I assume all my problems will be solved and I will be in simmers paradise so gosh sorry for complaining … or am I just being a bit too optimistic lol.

9 hours ago, Swe_Richard said:

Hmm.. all of the sudden I don't seem to have my Fenixes in the hangar? 

There's an issue right now with planes disappearing.  I think it's related to 3rd party paints.  But to worked in SU1.  There's a post about it at the MSFS forums

 

5 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

They have learned that whatever they do, people will throw money in their faces.

Wrong. 

We have evidence from the development of MSFS2020 to know MS/Asobo will continually fix bugs and introduce new features into 2024 (look at those who still sing the praises of 2020). They have already fixed a huge number of bugs and will continue to do so.

 

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer

13 hours ago, CarlosF said:

Would you mind ellavoraing with scientific proof that Asobo's understanding of wake turbulence is extremely flawed, otherwise, checkout youtube videos on how powerful a jet turbine can be.

Scientific proof…jet turbines don’t produce wake turbulence vortices in the same manner wings do. 

I don’t really need to elaborate on that do I?

 

12 hours ago, CarlosF said:

Of course, I agree with your statement, however, turbines generate wind thrust (jet wash) and so wake turbulence does apply, it also applies to prop wash and rotor wash.

Can can agree to disagree, so let us move on.

 No, theres no agreeing to disagree. If you’re going to be wrong, don’t be arrogant about it. Jet wash, as you call it is not the same as jet blast. Prop wash is not wake turbulence either. it’s not a sub category, a derivative or anything else. 
 

AI and Wikipedia have a new thing of categorizing wake turbulence as jet blast and prop wash along with wing tip vortices. I have no idea where that came from…

15 hours ago, CarlosF said:

Would you mind ellavoraing with scientific proof that Asobo's understanding of wake turbulence is extremely flawed, otherwise, checkout youtube videos on how powerful a jet turbine can be.

Jet efflux and wake turbulence are very different mechanisms, watching video of jets blasting people on a beach probably wont help you understand.

Is Asobo still reporting the use of CFD in the game?, I have no idea what is actually going on in the physics model but hopefully that visual representation they use is not actually representative of the flow and is just a gimmick

7 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

We have evidence from the development of MSFS2020 to know MS/Asobo will continually fix bugs and introduce new features into 2024

 

We have evidence of nothing like you seem to think/claim. Curious do you really work for MS/Asobo to make this claim? as that is kind of a BOLD statement to make on a message forum.

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

We have evidence of nothing like you seem to think/claim

Count the SU's and world updates for 2020.  2024 itself is on the second SU.  It is quite reasonable to expect this to continue with 2024.

 

2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Curious do you really work for MS/Asobo to make this claim?

The amount of evidence available would allow Inspector Clouseau of the French Surete to solve the case.

14 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Inspector Clouseau of the French Surete

Now you've done it! I will now and forever onwards picture Clouseau as the "mastermind" behind MSFS <grin>

Don't get me wrong, still using 2024 99% of the time and think it is pretty amazing stuff, but I'm very aware of (and very p***ed off about) it's many unnecessary issues. I'm sure they will eventually get most of it sorted out, and I'm looking forward to SU2 going live.

But meanwhile, I shall now be waiting for the announcment of the "Gypsy Moeth" every time I see any of their videos!

6 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

Jet efflux and wake turbulence are very different mechanisms, watching video of jets blasting people on a beach probably wont help you understand.

Oh God, you are missing the point, my argument is not about mechanisms, or the science behind wake turbulence. Let's just move on

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by CarlosF

2 hours ago, andy1252 said:

Now you've done it! I will now and forever onwards picture Clouseau as the "mastermind" behind MSFS <grin>

Don't get me wrong, still using 2024 99% of the time and think it is pretty amazing stuff, but I'm very aware of (and very p***ed off about) it's many unnecessary issues. I'm sure they will eventually get most of it sorted out, and I'm looking forward to SU2 going live.

But meanwhile, I shall now be waiting for the announcment of the "Gypsy Moeth" every time I see any of their videos!

There is already a Gypsy Moth available for flight sim.  Are you blaand?

7 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

Is Asobo still reporting the use of CFD in the game?

In what way? There is still an option to enable CFD visualization if that's what you mean.

  

7 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

hopefully that visual representation they use is not actually representative of the flow and is just a gimmick

No, that's is the actual visual representation of wake turbulence in the sim. It's the same visualization they used during the dev Q&A streams when talking about it. 

1 hour 4 minutes in

 

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

14 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

There's an issue right now with planes disappearing.  I think it's related to 3rd party paints.  But to worked in SU1.  There's a post about it at the MSFS forums

 

Find in your library. Then disable it, restart and re enable it. That fixed it for me. EDIT re the Fenix I mean.

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by jarmstro

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Count the SU's and world updates for 2020.  2024 itself is on the second SU.  It is quite reasonable to expect this to continue with 2024.

 

The amount of evidence available would allow Inspector Clouseau of the French Surete to solve the case.

All WU for 2020 are in 2024.

Why doed PG look better at places like Amsterdam in 2020 than in 3024 ?

2024 is supposed to be a the improved successor.

Inspector Clouseau ? I would prefer Ludovic Cruchot ..

 

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by GSalden

2 minutes ago, GSalden said:

All WU for 2020 are in 2024.

Why dies PG look better at places like Amsterdam in 2020 than in 3024 ?

Inspector Clouseau ? I would prefer Ludovic Cruchot ..

 

Are the servers less busy in this part of the world? Dunno. But what bothers me is this rolling cache thing. Say you happen to populate the cache when the pg and scenery is rubbish because of high server demand or whatever. Are you then stuck with it? Or does the sim check for better data? You can't delete the cache without faffing about in 2024.