Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020  😉     Ducking real fast like 

Hifi Sim ActiveSky FS, Rex Atmos & FSLTL Check.  See ya MSFS 2024 in about another 3-6 months.

 

 

Edited May 29, 20251 yr by Bob Scott
//admin edit: original title had nothing to do with topic

Right you are, I saw that video this morning, first thing.

Kinda a hard truth at the moment as much as I hate to admit. 

                              Happy Landings

 

I don't particularly miss 2020 but hey there were one or two things I wish were ported over. But that will happen eventually.

What a clickbait-y title though, which is a bit surprising. So according to Easyjetsimpilot, the reason 2020 was better because... 737s? Contrails? SimFX? That's it?

Lack of SimFX is annoying yes - I paid money for that and never really got to use it properly. I used to get really bad performance around the UK and I'm still convinced it was the root cause of it.

The rest are just nice to haves, other than PMDG finally getting to their 737 line, I'm confident the rest will get sorted in SU4+.

So yeah, I don't miss 2020. Especially don't miss waiting 35 minutes just to get into the sim. Or the green tinge on everything, having to use Atmos to fix that. Or the awful ground handling. Or the worse performance across the board. Or the lack of helipads and lack of options to start in cold and dark wherever. Or the myriad of other things that I don't have to deal with anymore. 

I don't know about that ground handling. May be a placebo effect but almost feels like msfs 2020 got some of that ground handling recently. I am running PCIE NVME SSD 4.0 so load times not too bad really. Bruh you can start cold and dark just pick a parking spot.  But if you are having all them problems on 2020 then 2024 is for you. 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 20251 yr by jwhak

4 minutes ago, jwhak said:

Bruh you can start cold and dark just pick a parking spot.

 

 

 

A bit of an aside, but for me this is one of those small improvements that made a big difference and made helicopters really enjoyable in 2024. Being able to pick any spot on the ground and start in cold and dark, irrespective of parking spots. And bush flying too - so many outback airfields don't have defined parking spots. Used to have to spawn with engine running on runway, then slew and shutdown. Massively don't miss that in 2020.

Actually, let me add another thing I don't miss in 2020 – helicopters in general were worse. They are still aren't quite DCS quality in 2024 but at least it's heading in the right direction. 

Loading times - I have an NVME too and just couldn't get the load times down without resorting to add-on linker and the like. The fact that you had to do that to make 2020 functional is another huge downside. Streaming scenery is a big win for me in that respect.

Rgr that.  Haven't played with the egg beaters much.  LOL either way they got us divided and conquered in the paradox of the 2 sims 🤪

Basically 2024 is great other than a lonely world of no traffic except at the gate and the ships. Oh and don't get me going on the night lighting.  It's just darn why do we have to go back a few steps and lose that progress. I mean part of upgrading is at least attaining what you have and launching off of what you got. But sometimes ya gotta break it down to re-build.

                                                                   Happy Landings

 

Edited May 29, 20251 yr by jwhak

I think you're absolutely right. I'm not denying we (very frustratingly) lost a bunch of stuff going from 2020 to 2024.
And if people find better use of 2020 then that's perfectly fine. 

What I want to avoid is glorifying 2020 like it was some sort of a perfect sim that had all of these amazing things. The reality is that we put up with quite a few things, and we needed a drastic new change. Annoyingly that change didn't quite deliver on everything, but my hope is that will get fixed down the line. 

I have to admit (a statement no one asks though) that MSFS 2024 is surprisingly smoother in general than MSFS 2020. Yes, we have tons of issues, VRAM is one obvious example, but I don't want to make the VRAM issue as a mental block to see the bigger picture, that MSFS2024 is arguably, smoother in terms of performance when it works.

For me too much is still missing. I am also unable to launch if there is any kind of scenery loading that is not explicitly for MSFS2024 

Nothing from Glideslope Pro/BMWAMSIM, so no Phoenix which is my home airport.  No Colorado Springs, No Oakland, No San Diego,  ORBX KSJC is not working properly.   Only Airports on the west coast working Properly are PDX V2, MK Studios KSEA and FlightBeam KSFO.

Most Dominic Design sceneries are causing a no load condition where it just sits on the top down view but never progresses past it. I can't get Austin to load, I can't get KELP to load either.  I don't see a FS24 dowload anywhere for it either.

Most Bullfrog Sim Airports are not working for me which means Tucson KTUS doesn't work.  Or any of the other little airports they make that I frequent like KRDM, KALW, ALWS, KMFR, KEUG and so on.

I can get Vertical Sim airports to load but they are severly degraded.  Boise is unusable due to ground poly issues.  Tampa mostly works but I didn't explorer it enough to know for sure.

I can't get PacSim KSLC or KRNO to load.  

UK 2000 Flagstaff won't load. 

None of my KAZE, KADO and KAPI Japan freeware airports are loading.

This backwards compatibility BS was way oversold. And until I get enough airports to work I'm not making the switch.  I'm also still having issues where launching takes forever after hitting fly now. For me FS24 has been horribly disappointing. It looks like it might be better for Europeans and East Coast people?

 

 

 

You can resolve the load times for 2020 by disabling packages you don't use. It makes a huge difference. 

For me, 2024 is a work in progress whereas now with my setup I can fly 2020 with every setting on max and 99% of 3rd party airports work flawlessly. I also prefer the night textures in 2020. 

4 hours ago, jwhak said:

Hifi Sim ActiveSky FS, Rex Atmos & FSLTL

None are of any interest to me at all except FSLTL which sort of works OK with SU3.

Whats FS?

36 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

None are of any interest to me at all except FSLTL which sort of works OK with SU3.

Whats FS?

Good question on the FS dunno.  Just know that is what they named the current ActiveSky on their website https://hifisimtech.com/asfs/ . 

Couldn't do MSFS 2020 now that I have had the ASFS, REX ATMOS, FSLTL & Rex Accuseasons experience. Are you experienced? 😉

Nah but to each their own Sir.   Happy Landings

 

4 hours ago, jwhak said:

I don't know about that ground handling. May be a placebo effect but almost feels like msfs 2020 got some of that ground handling recently.

MSFS 2024 has procedurally generated rocks and boulders across the entire world now.  And these rocks and boulders can flip your plane over, if you are not careful:

There is no other flight simulator that has anything close to this, without using custom scenery - yes, you can do this at any random location in the world in MSFS 2024 where rocks and boulders have been procedurally placed.  This aspect of ground physics alone, makes MSFS 2024 leaps and bound better than any other flight simulator when it comes to ground physics.

Edited May 29, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

I moved recently from MSFS to MSFS2024 and to me the only annoying thing remaining is the terrible night lighting. Some bridges look radioactive with their completely unnatural lime green light reflection on the water besides other points. I guess this will eventually be fixed. The environment during the day seems to be more accurate to real life even if i find some cloud formations to be somewhat weird - But this also happened in MSFS, so can't have them perfect.

The terrible UI still lags a lot but it's a small improvement over MSFS where it lagged even more. The downside is that actually using the UI is much much worse and counter-intuitive but whatever, removing all the clutter and useless aircraft by means of Content.xml turned it into a usable UI and usable simulator.

All this to say i don't really miss MSFS anymore. I just need to decide whether i get iFly's B38M or PMDG's B738... Even TFDI's MD-11 when copied over works just fine, so happy camper now.