1 hour ago, Noel said:

That's why I would say screw Spad.neXt it's just another interface you have to learn.  And once you understand 2024's controller setup you don't typically need to revisit it anyway.

yeah I get it.  I have so many pieces of hardware now that I've put on the rig over the years.  For me that wouldn't be an option.  In fact it would be impossible. 

I don’t have a problem understanding how it works. I’m a retired computer engineer. My problem is that the required tasks are not working. I save a new profile, the sim says it’s saved, but it doesn’t switch to it and the profile it just said was saved is nowhere to be found. And control profiles I’ve exported can’t be imported because the import icon is greyed out. The profiles are coming and going, which makes them useless. 

57 minutes ago, micstatic said:

yeah I get it.  I have so many pieces of hardware now that I've put on the rig over the years.  For me that wouldn't be an option.  In fact it would be impossible. 

Sure I get that as well.  I just installed XP12 demo and even its controller interface had some issues for me.  Plus, I hope I'm wrong but the only place with 'scenery' is Salzburg Helipad airport and immediately I was struck with a feel of looking at a sim 10y old.  I know full well this is not any kind of exposure but as a very first impression, wasn't struck.  XP's UI is less convoluted and presumably very practical once you understand it but it too looked a bit old.  TBH outside of per plane profiles 2020's UI was clean and effective.  I can't imagine how the revision passed inspection.  It's not all bad by any stretch but the controller interface takes some getting used to.

2 hours ago, Noel said:

That's why I would say screw Spad.neXt it's just another interface you have to learn.  And once you understand 2024's controller setup you don't typically need to revisit it anyway.

I have to visit the controller interface every time I start the sim or switch aircraft! 

My controllers are: mouse, keyboard, TA 320 Pilot flight stick, CH Pedals, Bravo Quadrant

At startup it is almost always a fact that one of the profiles (except for mouse) has switched back to "none" or "general."  Every time I switch aircraft either the TA 320 or the Bravo changes to "none".

I do have valid profiles defined for every aircraft I fly but they are not loaded with 100% reliability.

This problem started or became more common with SU3 beta.

26 minutes ago, Rob G said:

I don’t have a problem understanding how it works. I’m a retired computer engineer. My problem is that the required tasks are not working. I save a new profile, the sim says it’s saved, but it doesn’t switch to it and the profile it just said was saved is nowhere to be found. And control profiles I’ve exported can’t be imported because the import icon is greyed out. The profiles are coming and going, which makes them useless. 

Me to!  Reported as a bug but no action taken and not even acknowledged by MS.

3 minutes ago, TacomaSailor said:

This problem started or became more common with SU3 beta.

Bless you all for beta testing that takes a lot of patience obviously!  

3 hours ago, Noel said:

It's really hard to explain short of the program manager tasked with this element has autism or is otherwise thinking very differently than the vast majority of people!   No need for a payware program if you happen to stumble up on the right video or are otherwise able to figure it out yourself.  Once you understand it though it all works and have yet to go back into it as the settings are retained and all works fine, including a reinstall of OS and sims and all settings were retained as expected.

 

So that is why there are discussions all over the internet on forums about settings getting lost and reset in 2024?  Yeah, right. 

49 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

So that is why there are discussions all over the internet on forums about settings getting lost and reset in 2024?  Yeah, right. 

It's with beta testers Bob.  I'm not a beta tester, have installed 24 and reinstalled into a reinstall of Win 11 and controller settings remained except after the OS reinstall had to do custom camera but that's not the hard part.

Bob, you just sound spooked of 2024.  Remember, it was made by the same people who brought you 2020 and while hard to explain why some elements like the controller setup were approved as you hopefully are also reading it's working very well for many myself included.  I'm not brave enough to tackle beta testing and you also have to appreciate many of the negative comments are coming from beta testers.  And in the end, it's chump change to try it w/ the Standard edition.   I jumped on expecting just to fiddle with it and get familiar but again, one more time, it works just like 2020 does.  About as much as lunch for two in a modest restaurant.  OTOH 2020 works well so def no need to try 2024 unless you're curious.  I also like financially supporting MS/A as I would love to see them continue to succeed.

I just took another short look at Xplane and need to find out how to activate a drone cam or even slew mode so I can check out scenery at the one location their demo allows, which in itself seems bizarre.  You would think LR would want to showcase something really good if all the demo does is 15 minutes in one location and why they limit it to 15 minutes in one spot?  Not very inspiring what the heck are they afraid of?   Def was not enough of a teaser to get me to want to dive in.  XPlane would have to be miles ahead of MSFS 2020/24 for me to jump in talk about an entirely new environment to become facile in and it's replete with ample questions and issues here and there that I read on various forums as well as are the MSFS sims.   Not doubting it has some serious improvements over MSFS 20/24, but it's also got some serious deficiencies as well including the ginormous one.

Hopefully someone will read this and give me a simple way to have a drone camera I can fly around and get a good look at scenery.  Scenery is what subsequent version of XP are all about in large part as the dedication to aeronautical fidelity has been in the venue all along.  IOW, one upgrades for the clouds, lighting, scenery, etc. 

Edited June 9, 2025Jun 9 by Noel

Profiles in MSFS have been an unmitigated disaster from day one. I've never participated in any of the betas and had nothing but problems - CTDs etc. It really needs fixing.

we live in a day where so many people have streamdecks, hardware FCU's, hardware MCPs, CDU's.  All of that are invisible to the stock sim settings.  

I have solved part of my problem, but definitely not all of it. Whenever I would create a profile, I would use the Export feature to save a copy of the controls. At one point in time I had quite a few.

Some time after creating some of them and exporting them, I decided I wanted them to have a different name. So I renamed the export files. Like an word not allowed, I forgot to go into the files (xml files) and change the first line, which contains the name of the profile. 

So the sim was getting confused, as was I with conflicting names. I wondered why it told me several times that the profile I was importing was a duplicate.

Better? Yes. HOWEVER, I also have the problem of the assignments not sticking like they're supposed to. Every time I leave the controls screen and then come back again, some, if not all, of the appropriate profiles are not specified.

But at least I made a little progress, in case any of this helps someone else.

I'm desperately trying to clear some of my redundant profiles. Is there *any way at all* that I can delete them with an instant CTD??? This is with MSFS 2024/MSStore/SU2.

I would like to be able to clear all bindings and keep them like that, so I can control everything through SPADNext and FSUIPC. As others have mentioned the sim likes to randomly assign functions to my controllers, so I have to check for unwanted bindings every time I start up the sim (SU3 beta).

17 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

It is a shame that Asobo screwed up the control setup so much in 2024 that some  people have to buy a payware program to make it usable. 

This is a classic case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation.  Control bindings take about 15 seconds in 2020.  There was literally very few reasons to change this in 2024.

2 hours ago, jspilot said:

This is a classic case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation.  Control bindings take about 15 seconds in 2020.  There was literally very few reasons to change this in 2024.

Users asked for an easier way to assign controls to specific aircraft / classes of aircraft, and they have moved on that direction but close a rather imbricate process which now in Su3 has a bug and doesn't allow for profile replication, and so on...

Another aspect where they didn't shine was in naming convention.for most functions assignable to controls... It's a nightmare, it is sometimes incomplete, etc... 

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by jcomm