1 hour ago, Georgleboui said:

I think I've said that before in another thread, what 2024 does well for me is the feel of travelling to places that feels unmatched by any other sim including 2020. And yeah look I see XP12 over there looking great and it's tempting, and it's hard to ignore how much of a struggle some of the addons I like are having with 2024. 

And then you have a flight that just reminds you why it's so special. I got this contract in OnAir to deliver some hikers to a remote station up near Mahaanui. Basically a dirt strip, not even in any GPS or Skyvector. 
 

The sheer immersion of stepping out of the plane somewhere interesting, and seeing/hearing/exploring the surroundings is just incredible. Really makes you feel like you've actually travelled somewhere. I think for that reason alone I could never go back to 2020, even though it was in a way a stepping stone to getting here.

 

Yup, this is where MSFS 2024 excels, when you land and take off, in the middle of nowhere, and there is no custom scenery for it.  Because the world looks quite good outside of cities.

You generally need a custom scenery add-on in MSFS 2020 for it to look this good outside of cities. The beauty of MSFS 2024 is that we don't need that many custom scenery add-ons outside of cities, because it looks quite good in many remote places in the world in MSFS 2024.

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by abrams_tank

17 minutes ago, bailout said:

@Georgleboui Is that the default Goose or the Big Radial one?

Big Radial - I’ve had it for years and only now started to fly it a lot. My only wish is that it had a better cabin, the current one is so bare. Other than that its exceptional.

15 hours ago, jcomm said:

I find myself several times moving sideways between fs 2024 and xp12...

jcomm, can you explain how to enable SLEW in XP12?  I installed the DEMO and wanted to slew around to check out scenery and weather as with the measly 15 minute limit at LOWS pretty hard to fly enough to show much.

I'm flying LOWS to LFMN right now in 2024 and it was spectacular and super smooth.  I was struck with the airport and surrounding scenery of course.  My first impression hopping into the Vision jet in XP12 was 'meh' but did not really get any kind of decent look at it and would like to.  I was also struck w/ the fact migrating to XP12 would be a giant foray into a foreign environment--it woud have to be deeply better than 2024 to consider digging in deeper. 

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

It is relevant and you are incorrect. What makes the graphics different in those videos are the vegetation, trees, and the rocks. It literally transforms MSFS 2024 ground graphics to an entire generation of advanced graphics outside of cities.

The lake beside Mount Fuji and the ground level of El Capitan look nothing like that in MSFS 2020 because MSFS 2020 doesn't have the vegetation and trees, plus the rocks and boulders that MSFS 2024 has (that video doesn't show much of the trees and vegetation around the lake at Mt Fuji, but go there in MSFS 2024 and look for yourself - it looks way, way, better than MSFS 2020).

And mind you, when you look at the El Capitan comparison from the ground level and compare the pictures, the vegetation and trees alone make up some 1/3 of the entire picture, and that's what puts MSFS 2024 so far ahead in graphics at the ground level.

You said the same thing I said in the last two lines 

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

 

Double post

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by LIML2020

1 hour ago, LIML2020 said:

You said the same thing I said in the last two lines 

Then perhaps we disagree on the magnitude of the graphics improvement at ground level. Even with the "same Aerial images, the same DEM data and the same Vector Data" that MSFS 2020 gets in SU 16, the difference is still huge at ground level, especially when MSFS 2024 has increased and higher quality vegetation and trees.

My comment was a reply to Ron Lefebvre, and IMO, the difference in graphics is huge at ground level, especially when vegetation, trees, rocks/boulders, make up 1/3 of the screen.

 

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by abrams_tank

12 hours ago, 1st fltsimguy said:

OK not a pissing match here...the age of the PC doesn't matter, it was a general reference.  For instance, I have a GTX1080Ti, you are a leap and a yard more than me, you have an i7-10700 - while I have an i7-6700, a mother board z170, but 32 gig RAM...to be clear, I said "to get the most out of it"...as it is I can't run 2020 with full settings, so I doubt very much my specs would allow me to make the highest settings (ie get the most out of it).  That's all, nothing more, nothing less.  Oh, and I have no idea what Alienware Aurora R11 is, so I would have to look that up.  I look forward to a future upgrade, possibly.

cheers.

You are right, it's all relative. But you did say "requires a much greater investment in a new PC". I doubt that many simmers would consider my 5-year old rig a much greater investment -- to them, it's more like a relic! More to the point, the main thing I wanted to stress is that MSFS2024 actually works better on less powerful systems than MS2020 does. This is not a new observation -- others have noticed this also. It is somewhat counter-intuitive, since in the past, new editions of MSFS flight sims generally have required higher-powered rigs to get the full benefit of the upgrade. But this time it's different. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, cobalt said:

I wanted to stress is that MSFS2024 actually works better on less powerful systems than MS2020 does.

This was the biggest and most pleasant surprise when I first loaded 2024 - I could get so much more out of it than I ever could with 2020. I was so sure I was going to need to get a whole new system but all I did was add another 32GB of ram and I'll never know if even that was absolutely necessary. And now with FSR it's even better. 

So strange.  Mine is a stuttery mess on lower settings than a butter smooth FS2020.  I just wish I could enjoy 2024  and port over, and buying a new rig just for 2024 feels like a risky investment.  

6 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

So strange.  Mine is a stuttery mess on lower settings than a butter smooth FS2020.  I just wish I could enjoy 2024  and port over, and buying a new rig just for 2024 feels like a risky investment.  

Yes, would probably be a waste of money. If you can run 2020 but struggle with 2024 then something is wrong somewhere. 

15 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

So strange.  Mine is a stuttery mess on lower settings than a butter smooth FS2020.  I just wish I could enjoy 2024  and port over, and buying a new rig just for 2024 feels like a risky investment.  

Did you add  a rolling cache in 2024. 

Mine is set at 120gig and it made a huge difference. That and using AutoFPS

May not help, (who knows with MSFS), but it could if you have not tried it. 

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by Ron Lefebvre

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

My comment was a reply to Ron Lefebvre, and IMO, the difference in graphics is huge at ground level, especially when vegetation, trees, rocks/boulders, make up 1/3 of the screen.

 

I will give you that. I have no idea as I rarely fly at ground level. Unless I am using a helicopter. 

1 hour ago, cobalt said:

You are right, it's all relative. But you did say "requires a much greater investment in a new PC". I doubt that many simmers would consider my 5-year old rig a much greater investment -- to them, it's more like a relic! More to the point, the main thing I wanted to stress is that MSFS2024 actually works better on less powerful systems than MS2020 does. This is not a new observation -- others have noticed this also. It is somewhat counter-intuitive, since in the past, new editions of MSFS flight sims generally have required higher-powered rigs to get the full benefit of the upgrade. But this time it's different. 

MSFS 2024 works on XBox Series S and that system has 8 GB of RAM? Albeit, it doesn't seem to work great on the XBox Series S, but some people manage to play it.  I have read a lot of reports of people with 5 year old systems and MSFS 2024 works good on it. I assume those people with 5 year old systems aren't playing at 4K with everything set to Ultra, and they are using the most frame intensive add-ons.  But if you lower the resolution and lower the graphics settings, it seems that MSFS 2024 can work on older systems, and work well on them.

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by abrams_tank

24 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

I will give you that. I have no idea as I rarely fly at ground level. Unless I am using a helicopter. 

Yeah, give some bush flying a try in MSFS 2024. That's where MSFS 2024 excels and has no real competitor, not even MSFS 2020.  And I used to say that MSFS 2020 was the best for bush flying before MSFS 2024 came out.

Imagine if you bought custom scenery add-ons for every square kilometer outside the city for the entire world in MSFS 2020? Well, that's what MSFS 2024 is!

I used to look at some OrbX custom scenery add-ons for backcountry flying in Idaho for MSFS 2020 where the trees looked really nice, the stream looked really nice with rocks and boulders beside the stream, and wished the entire world in MSFS 2020 would look like the Orbx custom scenery add-on. Well, we have that now in MSFS 2024 but it's free and it covers the entire world!

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by abrams_tank

6 hours ago, Noel said:

jcomm, can you explain how to enable SLEW in XP12?  I installed the DEMO and wanted to slew around to check out scenery and weather as with the measly 15 minute limit at LOWS pretty hard to fly enough to show much.

I'm flying LOWS to LFMN right now in 2024 and it was spectacular and super smooth.  I was struck with the airport and surrounding scenery of course.  My first impression hopping into the Vision jet in XP12 was 'meh' but did not really get any kind of decent look at it and would like to.  I was also struck w/ the fact migrating to XP12 would be a giant foray into a foreign environment--it woud have to be deeply better than 2024 to consider digging in deeper. 

https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/301257-what-is-slew-mode/

or Free-Camera mode (a kind of drone mode...)

Where can we find the controls for the "free camera" ? - General X-Plane Discussion - X-Plane.Org Forum

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by jcomm