My 5900x / 3060ti runs 2024 great with an empty community folder and no complex tubes here.

Still with FSR3 I don't feel an upgrade is needef anytime soon.

dd

8 minutes ago, desbean said:

Interesting. I have tried 2024 a couple times and had nothing but problems, but not graphics card related. My 3080 only has 10gb ram and all I have been reading is that even 16gb isn't enough for 2024, with memory quickly used up causing stuttering. But your graphics card only has 8gb and everything runs smoothly for you at ultra/high settings. I must be reading a lot of lies about video ram.

It depends on your graphics settings, resolution, and the add-ons you use? I have a 3060 Ti which only has 8 GB of VRAM. I play with mostly medium to high settings at 1080p but I cap the FPS at 30. I sometimes use BeyondATC but I don't use FSLTL, AIG, or GSX. I do use custom scenery though. I can generally get a consistent 30 FPS, even using custom scenery and custom airports. 

I even tried the iniBuilds A321 and iniBuilds is known for poor performance, but the flight I had with the A321 was fine and I didn't notice any stutters.

Now if I run in 4K with eveything on Ultra, of course I will get massive stutters. But I'm not.

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by abrams_tank

11 hours ago, LIML2020 said:

This comparison (8 months ago) is no longer valid, MSFS2020 now with SU16 shares the same Aerial images, the same DEM data and the same Vector Data (Roads, Buildings, Water Bdies) as MSFS2024, so the actual graphic improvement is given only by the light, the trees and the terrain details in very low flight level 

I didn't think that SU16 was coming until July?

6 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

It depends on your graphics settings, resolution, and the add-ons you use? I have a 3060 Ti which only has 8 GB of VRAM. I play with mostly medium to high settings at 1080p but I cap the FPS at 30. I sometimes use BeyondATC but I don't use FSLTL, AIG, or GSX. I do use custom scenery though. I can generally get a consistent 30 FPS, even using custom scenery and custom airports. 

I even tried the iniBuilds A321 and iniBuilds is known for poor performance, but the flight I had with the A321 was fine.

That is encouraging. The other poster cobalt said he runs smooth with 8GB ram on ultra/high settings. Maybe he is running at 720p.

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by desbean

I got a new PC when 2024 came out, and never even bothered installing 2020.  With a higher end PC and a good internet connection, 2024 is just so much better for me.  

I only fly GA aircraft and maybe the occasional business jet mixed in, and for me, 2024 is a huge leap forward.  

Just my personal experience, but I had way, way more problems in 2020 than I have in 2024.  Of course, I'm not flying airliners, so others might have different experiences.  

Honestly I kind of scratch my head at some of the bug reports that people think everyone suffers.  

Another thing though - I did not just bulk copy/link my 2020 community folder over.  I only use addons that the developer has said are compatible.  

Still, I have no problem with people sticking in 2020.  Do what is best for you!  Fly the sim that gives you the most enjoyment today.  

Another point - people saying "I shouldn't have to upgrade my PC every 3-5 years".  Really?  I kind of think you do IF you want to stay current.  My 4 year old PC just wasn't cutting it anymore.  I remember the days back in the early 2000s when you'd need to upgrade your video card every 18 months and your CPU every 24 months to even play current games.  That was kind of insane.  An upgrade every 3-4 years is pretty normal IMHO. 

Again though, that's why MS supports 2020 and will continue to do so.  If you're on an older spec system, and 2020 works best for you, great!  

Edited June 10, 2025Jun 10 by kerosene31

33 minutes ago, GSalden said:

So 2020 now uses 2x higher resolution ground textures like 2025 does ?

Or does it use the same aerial images but at a lower resolution than 2024 ?

That's a good question, and I don't think SU16 comes out until next month, but getting the same aerial/dem/vector data as 2024 is good news for those of us on 2020. 

It would be even better if they could improve the OSM data for a few locations. I appreciate that Greenland does not have the highest resolution data, but I have seen some low resolution data (and plenty of black lakes) even in southern Norway, and the number of black lakes close to ESNQ Kiruna in northern Sweden is extremely annoying.

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/301257-what-is-slew-mode/

or Free-Camera mode (a kind of drone mode...)

Where can we find the controls for the "free camera" ? - General X-Plane Discussion - X-Plane.Org Forum

Or with the slew plugin: https://github.com/jonaseberle/xplane-plugin-SlewMode

1 hour ago, desbean said:

I didn't think that SU16 was coming until July?

Effective already with SU16 beta

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

So 2020 now uses 2x higher resolution ground textures like 2025 does ?

Or does it use the same aerial images but at a lower resolution than 2024 ?

The aerial data are the same, but MSFS2020 SU16 beta  has not deteriorated the lod like MSFS2024, may be Asobo will fix the broken lod in the next SU

2 hours ago, desbean said:

My 3080 only has 10gb ram and all I have been reading everywhere is that even 16gb is barely enough for 2024, with memory quickly used up causing stuttering.

I have 16 GB VRAM installed, but typically only use 50% or so, with high/ultra settings on 1080p.

Have not seen instances where VRAM was "getting used up"..  

The main difference performance wise with 2020, is that 2024 is smoother, with no "hesitations" which I still see when doing the odd test in 2020.  I fully expected 2024 to show signs of "streaming lag", but amazingly, it is smooth as butter.

2 hours ago, desbean said:

My 3080 only has 10gb ram and all I have been reading everywhere is that even 16gb is barely enough for 2024, with memory quickly used up causing stuttering.

This reminds me, the perennial problem of flight simmers, is that many run too high of settings for their hardware.  It's always been that way, I remember people doing that in FS2002/04/FSX.  For example just the other day someone posted about stuttering/vram and as it turns out, they were running a very high fixed TLOD.    Way higher than what I usually run and their hardware wasn't up to the task.

So as the others said, it really comes down to how you like to run your sim, and that is why you might have person #1 say it's fine, and person #2 say it's not, even though they have similar hardware.

50 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I have 16 GB VRAM installed, but typically only use 50% or so, with high/ultra settings on 1080p.

Have not seen instances where VRAM was "getting used up"..  

The main difference performance wise with 2020, is that 2024 is smoother, with no "hesitations" which I still see when doing the odd test in 2020.  I fully expected 2024 to show signs of "streaming lag", but amazingly, it is smooth as butter.

I guess I need to stop watching those MSFS "experts" on YouTube. thank you

13 hours ago, kerosene31 said:

Just my personal experience, but I had way, way more problems in 2020 than I have in 2024.  Of course, I'm not flying airliners, so others might have different experiences.  

Both MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 caused CTDs for me but that was because I discovered I had defective RAM.  Since the computer shop replaced my RAM, MSFS 2024 has been stable for me and I have had quite a few good flights.

 

16 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Did you add  a rolling cache in 2024. 

Mine is set at 120gig and it made a huge difference. That and using AutoFPS

May not help, (who knows with MSFS), but it could if you have not tried it. 

Thanks for the suggestion.  No, I haven't had a big rolling cache set up.  I'll give it a try.