July 8, 2025Jul 8 22 minutes ago, Franz007 said: Has any one of you guys already called the Fenix a prosim-addon? Ask yourself why. Goodness me, what does it matter this level of pedantry on something so minuscule? What do you hope to achieve here with this discrepancy?
July 8, 2025Jul 8 35 minutes ago, Franz007 said: Has any one of you guys already called the Fenix a prosim-addon? Ask yourself why. Did Prosim do any extra work of their own in order to get their systems into the Fenix product?, as opposed to Toliss doing all this extra work in the last two years to develop a custom sim-platform-independent FM, systems, etc Did Prosim go out there advertising any collaboration with Fenix? Did Prosim come to FSExpo and advertise said collaboration and say they are "testing the waters with MSFS"? Now ask yourself if you've truly understood the differences in Fenix's licensing of pre-existing Prosim code, versus this collaboration between Toliss and Aerosoft (which entails new code development by Toliss) For whatever reasons the usual XP diehards seem to be acting really weird and insecure about this collaboration and trying to downplay Toliss's involvement in it. Unfortunately for them, Toliss themselves have made it clear what exactly this collaboration is about, and whatever you want to call it (that makes you feel better), it sure as heck seems to be a lot of involvement and contribution by Toliss (i.e. everything that is required for a sim aircraft except for the visuals and publishing/selling of it which Aerosoft is doing). It is quite different from the Fenix/Prosim thing, and no matter how many times you or the other usual suspects attempt to downplay it or gaslight the situation, it ain't gonna fly ... because ... Toliss says otherwise 🙂 Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
July 8, 2025Jul 8 54 minutes ago, Franz007 said: Has any one of you guys already called the Fenix a prosim-addon? Ask yourself why. Ok so now its personal bias and feelings you're going to move the goal post with?🤣 Asus Maximus X Hero Z370/ Windows 10 MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled) 8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled) 32GB DDR4 3000 Ram 500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2
July 8, 2025Jul 8 Author 31 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: Goodness me, what does it matter this level of pedantry on something so minuscule? What do you hope to achieve here with this discrepancy? I remember when the Fenix A320 was released, some people called it a Prosim add-on. Nobody made a big fuss of it, we continued the conversation as normal. i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
July 8, 2025Jul 8 8 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Now ask yourself if you've truly understood the differences in Fenix's licensing of pre-existing Prosim code, versus this collaboration between Toliss and Aerosoft (which entails new code development by Toliss) Njet. You still don’t understand the collaboration. It’s the same as Prosim with Fenix, doesn’t matter which one made what announcement. But it’s a cute thought. i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
July 8, 2025Jul 8 12 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: some people called it a Prosim add-on Negative. i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
July 8, 2025Jul 8 46 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: Goodness me, what does it matter this level of pedantry on something so minuscule? What do you hope to achieve here with this discrepancy? Pardon? Naming correctly the publisher of an addon is being pedantic? You cannot be serious? i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
July 8, 2025Jul 8 2 minutes ago, Franz007 said: Pardon? Naming correctly the publisher of an addon is being pedantic? You cannot be serious? JustFlight is also the publisher of Black Square products and yet we don't go around call it the JustFlight Duke. Not to mention if anyone does, no one except you really cares enough to correct it. Like I asked before, what do you hope to achieve here exactly? Like who cares, and why do you care? Do you hope to get in the cookie jar of Toliss and Aerosoft? Better yet here, I have awarded you the "Correct Aircraft Name" Gold award. Happy? Go away so we can get back on topic cause this is childish.
July 8, 2025Jul 8 You can cut the insecurity with a knife. 5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX 9070XT.
July 8, 2025Jul 8 3 hours ago, Franz007 said: There won’t be any Toliss-planes coming to MSFS. The plane being released will be an Aerosoft-addon. They have both been pretty clear about that point. Just like Hans Hartmann planes never came to FSX/P3D/MSFS, right...? Why is this pedantry so important to a few of you guys...? Aren't you overjoyed that Toliss makes such a great simulation that it makes more sense for an MSFS shop to partner with them than to use their very own code...? E.g., Aerosoft has brought a large handful of airbuses to market over several simulators for the past decade or so. But Toliss' product is so much better that it makes sense to deprecate the Aerosoft code and partner with Toliss...? You guys should be shouting from the rooftops about an X-Plane devs product being so superior that MSFS devs have "given up"!!! This will make Toliss stronger - that can only be a good thing.
July 8, 2025Jul 8 46 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: I remember when the Fenix A320 was released, some people called it a Prosim add-on. Nobody made a big fuss of it, we continued the conversation as normal. Indeed. And the fact that it has ProSim at its heart was instantly legitimizing!! 👍
July 8, 2025Jul 8 41 minutes ago, Franz007 said: Njet. You still don’t understand the collaboration. It’s the same as Prosim with Fenix, doesn’t matter which one made what announcement. But it’s a cute thought. Yup, clueless as usual I see... If Prosim did their own extra work and investment like Toliss has, then it'd be the same as Fenix/Prosim. But nope, all Prosim did was to accept a payment from Fenix so that Fenix could take Prosim's pre-existing non-MSFS codebase and then heavily modify/adapt it for their plane. Whereas in this case, Toliss is spending their own non-trivial development effort (2 years) in order to create a new custom FM and other systems, and strive to be sim platform independent. Again, the specific things Aerosoft is doing here are the visuals and publishing of the aircraft, and everything else in the aircraft (which are the guts of it) like the systems, FM, etc are being done by Toliss for a whole new sim platform they've never developed for before. I suspect you'll keep insisting this is like the Fenix licensing Prosim code, and how this is not a Toliss plane, bla bla... and if that makes you less triggered then keep at it. But it ain't gonna change these facts: This A340 will have Aerosoft visuals, be published by Aerosoft, and have Toliss's systems, FM, and all other guts. It's great to have even more new developers get into the MSFS waters 🙂, whatever the plane and this collaboration is called. Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
July 8, 2025Jul 8 2 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Yup, clueless as usual I see... If Prosim did their own extra work and investment like Toliss has, then it'd be the same as Fenix/Prosim. But nope, all Prosim did was to accept a payment from Fenix so that Fenix could take Prosim's pre-existing non-MSFS codebase and then heavily modify/adapt it for their plane. Whereas in this case, Toliss is spending their own non-trivial development effort (2 years) in order to create a new custom FM and other systems, and strive to be sim platform independent. Again, the specific things Aerosoft is doing here are the visuals and publishing of the aircraft, and everything else in the aircraft (which are the guts of it) like the systems, FM, etc are being done by Toliss for a whole new sim platform they've never developed for before. I suspect you'll keep insisting this is like the Fenix licensing Prosim code, and how this is not a Toliss plane, bla bla... and if that makes you less triggered then keep at it. But it ain't gonna change these facts: This A340 will have Aerosoft visuals, be published by Aerosoft, and have Toliss's systems, FM, and all other guts. It's great to have even more new developers get into the MSFS waters 🙂, whatever the plane and this collaboration is called. No need to turn in circles. They stated in their discord: « it’s an Aerosoft-product. We have no products that will be released under the Toliss-brand in MSFS » i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
July 8, 2025Jul 8 4 minutes ago, Franz007 said: No need to turn in circles. They stated in their discord: « it’s an Aerosoft-product. We have no products that will be released under the Toliss-brand in MSFS » Lucky38i already awarded you a big shiny gold award for expertly figuring out that Aerosoft is the publisher 🤣, do you want another one? Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
July 8, 2025Jul 8 Just now, lwt1971 said: Lucky38i already awarded you a big shiny gold award for expertly figuring out that Aerosoft is the publisher 🤣, do you want another one? Thanks bit I don’t have such an ego-issue and am happy to pass it over to you 😆 i9 12900k, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM
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