11 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

he program simply does not work.  It's wild to me that people just overlook things like this.

I think it's more a case of there not being a significantly better alternative.

But after reading this thread, I think I'm going to try FSHud / AIGTC to see if the vectoring is any better.

I've had a few issues with looping conversations on BATC since the recent update, a particularly annoying one is when an aircraft announces an altitude change every 100 ft while its climbing.

Having listened to the synthetic voices in all of these programs on YouTube I’m afraid none of them are sounding realistic to my ear, regardless of what they’re saying.

I see that it’s now possible to clone voices online using AI. 

I would suggest that it would be a good idea to use such AI to replicate the way pilots and controllers actually speak on the radio. Not necessarily cloning individual controller’s voices but surely there’s the ability for AI to learn the correct cadence and inflections used, as they are not the same as in normal conversation, which is what is currently being replicated.

For me personally having had real world  ATC nattering in my headphones for many years it’s not what’s being said but the way it’s being said that instantly kills the immersion and realism.

FS ATC is getting there though, and I concede not being vectored into a mountain might take precedence over correct RT cadence.

Edited January 27Jan 27 by jon b

Yesterday well via BATC take off clearance and according ATIS we had runway 24 also at AMS, after clearing for takeoff AI aircraft was landing at the opposite direction 06 🙃
That spoils the fun 🤮

With SAI I had hovering aircraft and floating and in the opposite landing AI (So that one is in the virtual bin)

Going to retry FSHUD and see....

We still have a long way to go after two decades radio contact was the brightest at that time. 🙃

Edited January 27Jan 27 by virtualstuff

27 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Yesterday well via BATC take off clearance and according ATIS we had runway 24 also at AMS, after clearing for takeoff AI aircraft was landing at the opposite direction 06 🙃
That spoils the fun 🤮

With SAI I had hovering aircraft and floating and in the opposite landing AI (So that one is in the virtual bin)

Going to retry FSHUD and see....

We still have a long way to go after two decades radio contact was the brightest at that time. 🙃

Radar Contact is that you probably mean. It was the best for vectoring, but had nothing to do with AI. 

Not about to read thru 10 pages to check (sorry it's almost midnight here), just wondering if anyone has heard of or even tried this:

https://www.flywithskylink.com/

Was almost tempted to make a purchase until I saw that the cost is in USD, which I find odd considering the guy is obviously Australian.

There are youtube links on the above site. 

3 hours ago, jon b said:

Having listened to the synthetic voices in all of these programs on YouTube I’m afraid none of them are sounding realistic to my ear, regardless of what they’re sayin

From my experience of GA flying in US, the immersion and quality of Say.Intentions voices is really realistic. Are your referring to a different tool and a different geo. area? Out of US, I've tested Say Intentions in France and some weeks ago, it's true that is was all of (awfull) robotic voices and quebec-like, but it as improved since some days.

43 minutes ago, verbal said:

Not about to read thru 10 pages to check (sorry it's almost midnight here), just wondering if anyone has heard of or even tried this:

https://www.flywithskylink.com/

Was almost tempted to make a purchase until I saw that the cost is in USD, which I find odd considering the guy is obviously Australian.

There are youtube links on the above site. 

Looks interesting, but does it interact with AI traffic?

Btw, I'm UK based and the site is showing Australian dollars.

On 1/27/2026 at 6:34 AM, virtualstuff said:

Yesterday well via BATC take off clearance and according ATIS we had runway 24 also at AMS, after clearing for takeoff AI aircraft was landing at the opposite direction 06 🙃
That spoils the fun 🤮

With SAI I had hovering aircraft and floating and in the opposite landing AI (So that one is in the virtual bin)

Going to retry FSHUD and see....

We still have a long way to go after two decades radio contact was the brightest at that time. 🙃

The aircraft in FSHUD don't even push back. They do a 180° rotation and then taxi forward. Absolute dealbreaker for me

2 hours ago, simsuper80 said:

The aircraft in FSHUD don't even push back. They do a 180° rotation and then taxi forward. Absolute dealbreaker for me

Yes just noticed that one 🙃

 

On 1/27/2026 at 2:04 PM, G-YMML1 said:

Radar Contact is that you probably mean. It was the best for vectoring, but had nothing to do with AI. 

I agree and indeed mend to say radar contact 🙃 also correct but with AI tools... It's amazing that there is non of those software solutions available do a correct flow regarding AI...

1 hour ago, virtualstuff said:

I agree and indeed mend to say radar contact 🙃 also correct but with AI tools... It's amazing that there is non of those software solutions available do a correct flow regarding AI...

Because it's really really hard to do even halfway well

FS-Hud is much better than Beyond in many areas, including traffic, the map and the airport editor. However, everything from TOD onwards is completely inaccurate, particularly the way vectors are handled during ILS interception. Nothing is right.

The vectoring in Beyond isn't any better — the altitudes are wrong there, too — but pretty much every available ATC has some deal-breaking issues for me. I only use Beyond to automatically set the frequencies for FS ATC Chatter; otherwise, I mute it and ignore all the nonsense it tells me.

36 minutes ago, marlon445 said:

The vectoring in Beyond isn't any better

I disagree. The vertical part of vectoring is much better thatn FSHUD's.

23 hours ago, simsuper80 said:

The aircraft in FSHUD don't even push back. They do a 180° rotation and then taxi forward. Absolute dealbreaker for me

This. THE number one dealbreaker for FSHud imho. Totally ruins immersion.

BATC works well when last fix for STAR is the IAF for ILS approach. Magic 🙂