I’ve just issued a holiday to one member who went beyond what is acceptable language on AvSim. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you agree with them or not.

If you want to challenge someone’s opinion do so in a respectful manner.

If MSFS had been marketed as the next best thing to a Level D sim, then the complaints of our well credentialed posters here would be justified.

It is marketed as an "Entertainment" title, and we are lucky that it presents the fidelity that it does.

Do I want it to be better? Of course, who wouldn't want it to mimic the real-world aircraft to the nth degree?

But it is an entertainment title, so we have to accept the compromises the developers present. Can we influence their decisions? I don't know, but we can try in a sensible and respectful way.

However, losing our minds because it doesn't present the fidelity of a Level D is disingenuous.

While I am not as well credentialed in the real world as others who have posted here, I can boast a couple of thousand hours and a thousand or so as a Multi-Engine/IFR CFI - but what would I know?

In the end, it entertains me.

9 hours ago, DavidP said:

Great point actually - my first sim was FS2 at about 3fps and wire frame graphics. Could you imagine the uproar these days.

The excitement of the first photographic scenery of San Francisco, the first textured graphics in FS5 just to name a few milestones.

I never would have thought we'd have what is available now.

Indeed. We have come a very long way from the first flight sims.

Rightio Mr "Test Pilot".

Edited January 25Jan 25 by MikeH99

4 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

I didn't I was test pilot

I did experience (many of those dangerous life threatening situations) and I am no test pilot. Flightsimulator helps me become a better pilot. I use it to train IFR (at no cost) and avoid such desasters in the future. 100% correct flight model not needed for that. and yes, I also enjoy it often purely for sightseeing in VirtualReality. virtually every day and every night.

runway lights in sight, 700 ft AGL - real world weather. yesterday, CYQQ Comox ILS rwy 30

 

night taxi

 

and sometimes I meet nice people at the FBO. "I hate when it snows inside in Flightsimulator" she said. 😀

Edited January 25Jan 25 by turbomax

4 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Did you do stall  in 747 captain? 

For the demo flights, yes. Perhaps the 747 is one of the easiest to recover. You're gonna be surprised how easy and quick she recovers from the initial buffet or stickshaker. Even full stalls are quite easy to recover. During training, we practice departure stalls, approach stalls, high-speed stalls, high-altitude stalls, etc.

The initial post is a vent, and we should see it and respect it as such…

I have my own vents with practically every simulator I use or have used over more than 30 years sitting in front of a desktop pretending to be an airline pilot, a helicopter pilot, or an aerobatics pilot 🙂 I find flaws in almost everything in almost every simulator I use or have used. Just last night I was watching videos and testing the Bf 109 in XP12, checking how the Flying Iron version behaves through the developer’s YouTube videos showing its performance, and comparing it with the two simulators that, despite everything, gave me the feeling of being closer to reality in almost every aspect—from WW2 to helis, and now the C130J as well: DCS World. And of course without forgetting the one I still consider the best desktop aerodynamics simulator—IL‑2 Great Battles, and looking forward with excitement to the release of the new “Korea” package!

Unfortunately, all simulators fail miserably in different aspects of simulation, and that, over decades, turned me into the “crazy uninstall guy”… My poor NVMe2 SSD, this last one I’ve had since 2021, has endured so many of those crises :-). But I’m getting old, almost 62, and finally learning not to despair over what is, after all, just a desktop game—something that should be enjoyed as such, and whose potential should be understood and used in my favor, not to generate stress and disappointment…

I learned to do that with MSFS and X‑Plane, which in their current versions are, for me, the best civil flight simulators I’ve ever used (well, maybe with the memorable exception of FU1 and Aerowinx…). And yes, I still prefer the “feel of flight” in DCS and even more in IL‑2, but both XP12 and MSFS 2024 give me short simulation sessions that are truly enjoyable.

As a sidenote, a list of details MSFS 2024 still does poorly in all fixed wings I tried so far:

- prop effects, including yaw moemnts vs roll, all aircraft, even payware - engine failure physics still leave a LOT to be desired;

- ground physics, even when developers use the new ground physics "tweaks";

- post stall aerodynamics;

- proper representation of inertia;

- modelling of some of the types of turbulence, although I have to recognize that ASOBO has stepped into this subject with a rather ingenious approach, instead of setting turbulnece through some slider or parameter in weather settings, making it depend in realistic sources - first time I see it modelled this way in a desktop flight simulation !!!

But then, I could go on and list here similar quirks in Xp12, even in DCS and in IL-2.

(but I still believe IL-2 offers the best "feel of flight"...)

Edited January 25Jan 25 by jcomm

Must be time to get back to enjoy another flight in the GOAT of flight sims.

dd

30 minutes ago, jcomm said:

 (but I still believe IL-2 offers the best "feel of flight"...)

Agree completely.

In terms of...'control feel', imo IL2 still offers the best illusion of flight available on a desktop pc.

59 minutes ago, LRBS said:

During training, we practice departure stalls, approach stalls, high-speed stalls, high-altitude stalls, etc.

no power OFF stalls? 😀  first thing we did in my flight training. non 747, single engine. 

yes, they even did barrel rolls in the 747. "piece of cake" said their chief test pilot.

 

Who here knows about real flying , majority are just game streamers , save your breath , they will defend this game because it gives them something to do 

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

I could go on and list here similar quirks in Xp12,

where after 20 years or so, the sun light increases/decreases abruptly in steps, not continuously-gradually.

Edited January 25Jan 25 by turbomax

50 minutes ago, turbomax said:

no power OFF stalls? 😀  

 

Ohhhhh, she's not gonna like that.

1 hour ago, XMAN said:

Who here knows about real flying , majority are just game streamers , save your breath , they will defend this game because it gives them something to do 

In this forum?  Many are actual pilots.  Myself included...plus almost 20 years as an air traffic controller.

Not to mention, if people aren't pilots, flight simulator could be the candle that ignites their passion for pursuing a career in aviation!

How dare someone enjoy MSFS 2024!

Ive seen my local  airport go from numerous  small private hangers [that were all removed } and a Aeroclub with 100`s of mostly private pilot members to tumbleweeds, Cmon nobody flys anymore ,  

Edited January 25Jan 25 by XMAN