I'm new at BATC, I bought it yesterday and it failed both the STARs and the approaches in the 2 flights. Good catch! Now I try to reduce the arrival density at 2 because I see a lot of traffic around me, the ATC is controling well the other flights except mine.

4 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

I'm new at BATC, I bought it yesterday and it failed both the STARs and the approaches in the 2 flights. Good catch! Now I try to reduce the arrival density at 2 because I see a lot of traffic around me, the ATC is controling well the other flights except mine.

Hop over on the discord for any issues and also make sure to read the tutorial on the BATC wiki page. 

4 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Hop over on the discord for any issues and also make sure to read the tutorial on the BATC wiki page. 

This morning I did an EDDM/LIRF flight in the Fenix A320, BATC followed the flightplan as filed. But it doesn't seem flexible like Pro-ATC was, because if you change something to the STAR and the approach from the original Simbrief flightplan, BATC seems to go crazy. I want try the experimental branch, I have the base package, is it possible?

16 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

This morning I did an EDDM/LIRF flight in the Fenix A320, BATC followed the flightplan as filed. But it doesn't seem flexible like Pro-ATC was, because if you change something to the STAR and the approach from the original Simbrief flightplan, BATC seems to go crazy. I want try the experimental branch, I have the base package, is it possible?

What do you mean „change the STAR“? The pilot can‘t just change the STAR. You can ask for a different approach in BATC, but you need to ask for it, you can‘t just fly it and expect ATC to go along with it. I again suggest reading the tutorial, especially if you have no experience in Vatsim or real flying (BATC tries to be as realistic as possible in regards to procedures, flows etc.)
For any issues come to Discord which is the official support place. There‘s no sense doing support here on Avsim, this forum is not really made for that.


There‘s no trial for the experimental package, no. At the moment both base and experimental are the same basically (except for VFR traffic on experimental)

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

What do you mean „change the STAR“? The pilot can‘t just change the STAR. You can ask for a different approach in BATC, but you need to ask for it, you can‘t just fly it and expect ATC to go along with it. I again suggest reading the tutorial, especially if you have no experience in Vatsim or real flying (BATC tries to be as realistic as possible in regards to procedures, flows etc.)
For any issues come to Discord which is the official support place. There‘s no sense doing support here on Avsim, this forum is not really made for that.


There‘s no trial for the experimental package, no. At the moment both base and experimental are the same basically (except for VFR traffic on experimental)

I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to explain, because your claimed transparency doesn't seem all that transparent. In simulated flight planning, we sometimes have to adjust the STAR to accommodate the aircraft's requirements as well as discrepancies between the simulator and Navigraph. That's why the older Pro-ATC was certainly more flexible in that regard. I’m also free to share my opinions here and ask for help if I need it. What you don't seem to realize is that I'm not asking for help—I'm simply sharing my experience as a new BATC user. Yes, I'm reading the tutorials, but they contain some errors, confusing the prerequisites for MSFS2000 and MSFS24, along with other small but substantial issues. These tutorials are typically not updated, and it seems the creators were more focused on making money quickly. Let see what happens in the future.

5 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

In simulated flight planning, we sometimes have to adjust the STAR to accommodate the aircraft's requirements as well as discrepancies between the simulator and Navigraph.

Could you give a specific example that would make changing the STAR in flight necessary? I can't think of any on the top of my head. 

ATC assigns the STAR you fly it. You can change runway and approach if necessary but I don't see how changing the STAR would be necessary.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by Farlis

14 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Could you give a specific example that would make changing the STAR in flight necessary? I can't think of any on the top of my head. 

ATC assigns the STAR you fly it. You can change runway and approach if necessary but I don't see how changing the STAR would be necessary.

It's different here: BATC reads my flight plan, which I edited in Simbrief. I would be happy if BATC took full responsibility to plan the entire flight plan, not just the STAR. Anyway, I did a flight from LiRF to EDDF with the cargo TFDi MD-11, and it worked well. But I'm not a BATC enthusiast, sometimes this new BATC feels blind to me. At EDDF, on runway 7L, the altitude to intercept the ILS/GLS is 5,000 feet, so why is BATC telling me 4,000 feet? For now, though, I do like how it manages air traffic through FLTL.

Ive been flying quite a few routes today in the Fenix and the latest BATC update.  I am finding that I feel like I am constantly playing catch up during descent. Earlier I was flying EGLL (London Heathrow) to EGAC (Belfast City) and ATC is just so SLOOOOOWWW at giving descent instructions.  Rather than clear me down to say a constraint on the chart eg 10000 feet it keeps bringing me down in 2 or 3 thousand feet steps but then leaving me hanging for 5 mins flying level. As I get closer to the destination I am concious I will be too high so keep having to use the speedbrake so I can get down quicker. Just feels like a battle or race then as I sometimes have no opportunityh to reduce the rate of descent then bleeding off speed is difficult.  Also had Simbrief and the real and sim weather reports show winds from the west yet BATC told me to land on runway 09R - which is normally for taking off. To make it worse despite BATC instructing 09R it was injecting traffic and making them take off from 27L - same runway coming straight towards me. Weather and time in the sim was live. Also it clears me to a lower altitude sometimes than the glideslope capture on the charts eg cleared to 2000 feet when charts show 2800 feet.

Thinking of giving Say Intentions a try.  Does it have auto responses like BATC or does it insist on a microphone and spoken responses by me?

Edited April 27Apr 27 by cj-ibbotson

LOL

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

LOL

Edited April 27Apr 27 by haskell

One feature I really miss from Radar Contact days is the ability to declare an emergency and be vectored to an suitable new airfield nearby which can happen for a multitude of reasons. Rather than start on VFR which I agree is important I think it would be good to make sure IFR is working as well as it can and has the basics down...

 

H.

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

LOL

Haha. Reminds me of a situation we got going into LAX last week at work. Approach told us to call the field in sight while we were on downwind and it was very much out of view. “Airport is 7 o’clock 12 miles, report the field in sight” 🙄😂

Well, there may still be bugs & limitations but overall my preferred ATC robot !

Have completed a few more flights with the latest 1.8.8 EA and it surely got better over the last version.

I can now consistently get answers and interactions that make sense when I ask for an approach change, I  was told to go around and from there on everything seemed correctly sequenced until I was again at the FAF... Very good, and the traffic injection is OK too without hammering my GPU 🙂

15 hours ago, cj-ibbotson said:

Ive been flying quite a few routes today in the Fenix and the latest BATC update.  I am finding that I feel like I am constantly playing catch up during descent. Earlier I was flying EGLL (London Heathrow) to EGAC (Belfast City) and ATC is just so SLOOOOOWWW at giving descent instructions.  Rather than clear me down to say a constraint on the chart eg 10000 feet it keeps bringing me down in 2 or 3 thousand feet steps but then leaving me hanging for 5 mins flying level. As I get closer to the destination I am concious I will be too high so keep having to use the speedbrake so I can get down quicker. Just feels like a battle or race then as I sometimes have no opportunityh to reduce the rate of descent then bleeding off speed is difficult.  Also had Simbrief and the real and sim weather reports show winds from the west yet BATC told me to land on runway 09R - which is normally for taking off. To make it worse despite BATC instructing 09R it was injecting traffic and making them take off from 27L - same runway coming straight towards me. Weather and time in the sim was live. Also it clears me to a lower altitude sometimes than the glideslope capture on the charts eg cleared to 2000 feet when charts show 2800 feet.

Thinking of giving Say Intentions a try.  Does it have auto responses like BATC or does it insist on a microphone and spoken responses by me?

Is that because of Beyond or the Fenix?
The last time I flew it, the VNAV was completely useless, and I couldn't make a single descent without using speed brakes the entire way down.
I actually have a nice screenshot where, on final approach with flaps 2 out and a 12-knot headwind, I’m gaining speed at 900 FPM instead of losing it. Needless to say, I’ll never fly that thing again.

In the A350, at least, I haven’t had any issues with the descent anywhere; everything went smoothly in Frankfurt yesterday.

And the new instruction to fly over a STAR point at a certain altitude and then continue descending makes it even easier.
The only annoying thing is that Beyond always makes you fly through the entire transition instead of using sensible shortcuts.

3 minutes ago, marlon445 said:

The only annoying thing is that Beyond always makes you fly through the entire transition instead of using sensible shortcuts.

I hope that will come one day once all the groundwork is done. And then make it dependant on current traffic flow just like in real life.

 

Another thing it needs to stop doing is giving you instructions to slow to final approach speed before the 6 Mile point, or at least not before established on final and at least 8 miles out. The speed instructions really need work. Having aircraft fly at the same speed for seperation makes sense but reducing you below minimum clean with more than 15 track miles to go makes no sense at all. I have been instructed to go 180 knots above 30 miles out during the last two flights. That's simply way too soon.