22 minutes ago, evaamo said:

Since you bring that specific flight up: yesterday was the classic example of why I'd rather fly XP12 in most conditions, leaving MSFS2024 for daytime VFR. Yesterday was very stormy in FL and basically the entire Caribbean, but there isn't a single runway light to be found in MSFS in daylight MVFR / IFR. As much a fantastic visual experience MSFS provides (don't get me wrong, I love the sim), "small" details like that remain unaddressed by Asobo resulting in immersion killers (at least to me and my expectation of having a flight simulator that gets at least "core" or basic aviation things right).

Yep - very fair. In my case, I had recently updated my Orbx TrueEarth FL install but forgot to update my scenery file, so it didn’t show up in the sim session - leaving me with default scenery. I tried to fly the flight anyway, but it’s just so ugly that I quit the sim, edited the file to fix the issue, and then reloaded back in.

Had a wonderful flight in the Colimata F-104 and after surviving the beastly landing process, yeah, it struck me that the airfield lights were on and all the planes lit up as well due to relatively dark weather conditions. 😁

17 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Yes, but unlike MSFS where live traffic is a native feature, it’s yet another third party solution to find, download, configure and maintain.

True, but in return you get a significantly better, more configurable solution than the built-in one in MSFS (similar to the FSLTL plug-in for MSFS)

Edited September 21Sep 21 by Matchstick

4 hours ago, SayAgain said:

But I'm definitely NOT going to be thankful to Asobo when I've spent $20,000 in hardware, controllers, and 3rd party software

But how much have you paid Asobo for the sim itself…? Can’t be more than $200 or so, including both versions.

1 hour ago, MarcG said:

Asobo in a nutshell 😄

I’ve seen it in so many shops I’ve worked at or with.

Not excusing them, especially given their resources, but it’s not an uncommon situation.

55 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Yep - very fair. In my case, I had recently updated my Orbx TrueEarth FL install but forgot to update my scenery file, so it didn’t show up in the sim session - leaving me with default scenery. I tried to fly the flight anyway, but it’s just so ugly that I quit the sim, edited the file to fix the issue, and then reloaded back in.

Had a wonderful flight in the Colimata F-104 and after surviving the beastly landing process, yeah, it struck me that the airfield lights were on and all the planes lit up as well due to relatively dark weather conditions. 😁

I have Orbx FL (I own all the regions lol) and it is a fantastic experience... but I also had to get XPME to cover the rest of the world because MSFS spoiled me and without it default becomes really ugly indeed. It would be great if we could toggle on/off the scenery files inside the sim to avoid dealing with the scenery file. Maybe in XP13!

Btw thanks for the reminder that I Gotta get myself that F-104!!!

I like the part about the clawed out eys. ☠️

dd

I do want to say. Yes, I love the visuals that this sim offers, and I'm glad that we even have it in the first place.

But if a couple of specific things or more were fixed or improved, the immersion would increase by 10 fold.

Get in line. It will all happen.

dd

13 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Yes, but unlike MSFS where live traffic is a native feature, it’s yet another third party solution to find, download, configure and maintain.

How realistic is that live traffic addon in XP12? I have always considered the AI traffic in Microsoft Flight Simulator over the years (and that includes MSFS 2024) to look rubbish. Traffic added in specific airport addons can look very nice, but the overall effect of seeing default AI traffic turn through 90 degrees, shoot through roundabouts at 70mph, jump back and forth when it gets confused by a blocked off street, and not follow the road image beneath it to be an instant immersion killer.

All default AI traffic is disabled in my flight simulator, and will remain that way until it actually starts to look realistic.

Edited September 22Sep 22 by Christopher Low

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

How realistic is that live traffic addon in XP12? I have always considered the AI traffic in Microsoft Flight Simulator over the years (and that includes MSFS 2024) to look rubbish. Traffic added in specific airport addons can look very nice, but the overall effect of seeing default AI traffic turn through 90 degrees, shoot through roundabouts at 70mph, jump back and forth when it gets confused by a blocked off street, and not follow the road image beneath it to be an instant immersion killer.

All default AI traffic is disabled in my flight simulator, and will remain that way until it actually starts to look realistic.

The plug in doesn’t generate any of its own data, instead it displays data from a variety of ADS-B based sources, both free and subscription, so it’s as accurate as the data you set it up to use.

Edited September 22Sep 22 by Matchstick

I should have left out the "live" part in my comment. I am curious to know how accurately it renders vehicles and their movement. That part has always been very crude on a large scale in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

Edited September 22Sep 22 by Christopher Low

3 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I should have left out the "live" part in my comment. I am curious to know how accurately it renders vehicles and their movement. That part has always been very crude on a large scale in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

Ah so you're talking about ground traffic ?
This plug-in is purely for air traffic

Edited September 22Sep 22 by Matchstick

4 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

How realistic is that live traffic addon in XP12? I have always considered the AI traffic in Microsoft Flight Simulator over the years (and that includes MSFS 2024) to look rubbish. Traffic added in specific airport addons can look very nice, but the overall effect of seeing default AI traffic turn through 90 degrees, shoot through roundabouts at 70mph, jump back and forth when it gets confused by a blocked off street, and not follow the road image beneath it to be an instant immersion killer.

All default AI traffic is disabled in my flight simulator, and will remain that way until it actually starts to look realistic.

I'll never understand why they decided to make default traffic act so much worse than FSX.

Is chaseplane now compatible with SU7 Beta? I just ran the installer and installed the uppermost option, it says "added 21 hours ago" (?)

Edited September 22Sep 22 by History

19 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

But how much have you paid Asobo for the sim itself…? Can’t be more than $200 or so, including both versions.

MS/Asobo make the majority of their money from the marketplace 30% of 3rd party developer sales ... recurring revenue (50% of the user base) ... ignore the 15M "pilots" claim, that's NOT unit sales ... Steam sales have MSFS 2024 at 650,000 units and I believe PS5 sales were reported by MS at 250,000 units no idea MS Store sales nor XBOX sales (game pass so somewhat skewed).