https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM2ede6AHCg

He lost me right at he start by using the AI copilot to talk to the AI controller. What matters to me is how controllers respond to my voice and my phrasing, not how well an AI can talk to an AI, all of which can be pretty much scripted. I know others love these features - me, not so much.

Scott

36 minutes ago, tttocs said:

He lost me right at he start by using the AI copilot to talk to the AI controller. What matters to me is how controllers respond to my voice and my phrasing, not how well an AI can talk to an AI, all of which can be pretty much scripted. I know others love these features - me, not so much.

Scott

Yeah, Both do a good job. SI being extremely good. I've never had trouble. They may actually be too lenient, but that could be my setting. I seem to remember SayI has different possible levels for responding to the controllers.
Been 6 months since I've touched BATC So I will only say it was pretty good last time I tried it.

Well, if you take the price tag into calculation, SI looses big time. It is impressive what evolution BATC had in the last year and while I still envy the SI users for some functionalities, I am perfectly happy with BATC as of now. Even more, after they introduced jetway connection ;-)

I've been a SI user for a little over 2 years and really like it. I always thought BATC had lower quality ai voices until recently, watching several yt videos. Yesterday, I decided to take the plunge with BATC, basic option, and if I didn't like it as much, so be it, not too much expense wasted.

The one issue I've had with BATC is getting all voice coms through my usb HyperX headset. Mic works fine as I was able to select it in the BATC settings options, but they don't offer the input option. Finally had to set my headphones as Win 10 default output device and in windows advanced sound settings assign my external speakers to any app I want to use with, such as MSFS 2024 sounds. Now I have it working properly, but haven't had a chance to fly, until probably Saturday.

I did perform some basic coms on the ramp with BATC and lots of radio checks during setup, and so far, with basic voices, they sound great. This is in the USA, by the way. If all of the ATC voices sound that good, plus with the good AI traffic injection, I think I may be moving over to BATC. Time will tell.

I've used BATC since it was released but have been trying SI for the last few weeks.

I like that SI gives you shortcuts so you don't have to fly the full arrival. I do my flying in Europe and you sometimes get these long arrivals that double back on themselves. With BATC you have to fly the full thing but SI will often give you a shortcut which is a lot more realistic and fun.

Also other things can happen in SI. On a flight to Berlin yesterday, the tower had some power issues so put me in a hold for a while before I could continue.

1 hour ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Yeah, Both do a good job. SI being extremely good. I've never had trouble.

The comment was related to what the video showed/didn't show.

My other issues with this, and similar, video comparisons is the limited nature of them. For example, the most critical element for me (and I believe probably the most difficult to get right) is descents and vectors to final. No video duplicating a single route can really show anyone how well these two packages work in this critical aspect. Only flying a fair number of different routes over time can you get a true feel for how well each performs.

Drawing conclusions from a single route is, at best, a bit limited and can be misleading.

Scott

6 hours ago, tttocs said:

What matters to me is how controllers respond to my voice and my phrasing,

Scott

Hey Scott.

I was just commenting on this part since it seemed to be a concern for you

I did not think that would be a problem since I find that part works very well as far as SayI in concerned.

Since the video was no help in that respect.

2 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Hey Scott.

I was just commenting on this part since it seemed to be a concern for you

I did not think that would be a problem since I find that part works very well as far as SayI in concerned.

Since the video was no help in that respect.

Understood. No worries, Ron. I do use SI and indeed have no problems in that regard, but I don't currently use BATC, so would have loved to have seen the difference in voice recognition in a recent video such as this. Both products change so fast that it's difficult to keep track of where each of them are any more.

And to my point about descents and vectoring on approach and wanting to see a larger variety, I did a flight today from KBFI (Boeing Field, Seattle) to KMYL (McCall, Idaho) and was assigned the RNAV Ry 34 approach into KMYL. McCall is a mountain airport in a fairly narrow valley at 5,000' with high terrain on three sides. Handling descending and vectoring here is a real challenge. Would have loved to have seen this kind of approach in a comparison as well.

And FYI, SI with its recent updates, did an incredible job of descending and vectoring me appropriately to the final approach course.

Scott

I really would like to do a nice video comparing both but I have no clue how to record a video nor do I have proper equipment hehe. But lately I can say that SI has done pretty well vs BATC being just okay and sometimes less than lol. But one can't forget the prices... I guess if someone requires excellent ATC on each flight, SI is really the only way. Maybe I should preface that last statement with "realistic ATC" then pick SI. BATC is ok for a lot of airliner simmers but continues to struggle for slower aircraft and point to point flights, still struggles with vectoring etc.

SI can also handle outside of the box thinking while BATC just can't.

You gotta pay to play.

20 hours ago, BruceA320 said:

Also other things can happen in SI. On a flight to Berlin yesterday, the tower had some power issues so put me in a hold for a while before I could continue.

Absolutely. SI's ATIS is often highly entertaining with various bits and pieces flagged as out of service, runways/taxiways temporarily closes for maintenance and so on. Definitely keeps you on your toes. Can't recall offhand where I was, but I had to takeoff with a significant crosswind a few days back as the favored runway was closed for maintenance.

Scott

On 10/15/2026 at 5:32 PM, BruceA320 said:

I've used BATC since it was released but have been trying SI for the last few weeks.

I like that SI gives you shortcuts so you don't have to fly the full arrival. I do my flying in Europe and you sometimes get these long arrivals that double back on themselves. With BATC you have to fly the full thing but SI will often give you a shortcut which is a lot more realistic and fun.

Also other things can happen in SI. On a flight to Berlin yesterday, the tower had some power issues so put me in a hold for a while before I could continue.

Shortcuts are in the works for BATC. One of the next features-to-be-released

I find vectoring on both programs to still be a but hit or miss, though BATC is improving.

I notice SI likes to vector me away from the airport before turning final, BATC always turns you towards the airport.

Edited October 16Oct 16 by Tuskin38

"Request taxi to the active...."

lol

19 hours ago, tttocs said:

SI's ATIS is often highly entertaining with various bits and pieces flagged as out of service, runways/taxiways temporarily closes for maintenance and so on

I quite often get the « Reported birds on final » with flock of animated birds, actually injected by SI on the final approach path. A lot of birds, but it makes the sim world slightly more alive.

Edited October 17Oct 17 by vbazillio