December 5, 201015 yr They sound and look great, will go and investigate shortly.Just a query though regarding the manuals for the JS41, in the present JS41 manual there are some errors, namley references to the FMS and hold function etc, however i beleive that a service pack is to be released for the JS41 post NGX release, so are these manuals for JS41 updated to reflect the SP changes?Also with reference to the 747, will these be updated with any update to the 747 that you mentioned maybe also improved?is it really 67 dollars to ship to the uk!?RegardsJames Regards James Carr
December 6, 201015 yr Dear Robert, thank you very much for your statement and description, but I have to ask you again. This means that the content of your manuals (my favorite to buy is the "PMDG 737-NGX Chief Pilot's Flight Manual Set") will axact describe 1:1 to the delivered system simulation of your upcoming 737NGX ? I want this really to know, because several hundreds of dollars just for manuals are really heavy and this is not mentioned to their weight... ;-)Regards PascalHey Pascal. I can verify first hand from a customers perspective as someone who bought the MD-11X pub collection that indeed the manuals they sell match the aircraft 1:1. I do not think they would change their standards for this release. For the MD-11X all of the paper publications are tailored to the bird. Especially the FMC operations manual which goes into great depths of how it works. That chapter of the Aircraft Systems & FMS Supplement publication is how I learned to even use FMC's (before that I just hand flew the aircraft all the time, or used alt/heading hold). To the letter you follow step by step what it says, and it gives you results in the aircraft. Same for the QRH. You follow that to the letter to get a handle on the situation, and then refer to the FCOM for more detailed procedures once the immediate "danger" is over... If you have doubts the best bet I can say before you buy the books to get the aircraft and read the PDF's.. The ONLY reason I bought the MD-11 books before the bird is because I have liked tri-jets since I was a kid (have no idea why, but its stuck with me all my life). I had never bought a PMDG product before, and only read reviews and stuff that said they were one of the best. So I got the books, and between that and studying on smart cockpit (www.smartcockpit.com, highly recommend them as you can take tests and such. If it is any indication I can score in the 80% range on the MD-11 tests). Regardless I studied all of that stuff and the aircraft operates 100% the way it should. There are some things in the beginning which I thought were bugs, but later learned through reading they were part of the aircraft. Such as the APU cooling period when shutting it down after running ECS. Or the fact that one of the center cargo compartments never seemed to cool down on the ground no matter how low I turned down the ECS knob (come to find out later that compartment is only heated not cooled after reading the manuals). As you increase your altitude though you can watch the temperature in that compartment fall if you leave the ventillation to that space off. It ultimately is up to you though how much the pubs are worth to you, and how much they will add to your experience. For me being a mechanic in real life, and also APU turn qualified I couldn't imagine such a detailed simulation without them. Other aircraft that do not have failures it is not really a big deal.. But PMDG and A2A's Accu-sim birds for me are must haves with manuals. I bought the MD-11 books, but I wound up printing the J-41 ones at release and I also print the Accu-sim manuals as well.. Cause one these aircraft skipping a step can lead to bad consequences later. That is just my opinion though. The $415 price tag with the color QRH was a little hard to swallow, but I have no doubt it will be worth it in the end. I would at least recommend getting the QRH for the non-memory item emergencies. That is pretty much the only book I use every flight, but the FCOM and Aircraft Systems book help when I need the big expanded checklist, or detailed emergency procedures. Or I am just buzzing along at 35,000ft and have a question about something I notice on the MFD's. My only critique on these sets are the laminated checklists. Granted now I could use it since I know the bird pretty well, but in the beginning it was useless as I did not know the starter limits and such. So for me I never use it cause I either use the QRH one (which is pretty short it seems to me too), or the one in the FCOM that I prefer as it lists your limits and such right there for that step. I think the posters will be a huge plus for the Chief Pilot package for NGX along with the lights/switch pub. I just hope I don't wind up chucking the laminated checklist for it into the corner with the MD-11's. Although those checklists would be good if you had a dry erase marker/grease pencil and just checked off the big items as you go so you know you have done them kind of like we do at my work with the laminated weapons loading checklists. Robert I am sure will be able to expand as to their proper use. If anyone does not have the MD-11 or its books and would like to see their use demo'd I may can piece together a video showing an EP. Every bit 1:1 to the books though. Hopefully this helps someone out in their decision. All really comes down to you, and what you are used to. When anything can happen (like on the PMDG birds) I personally need a paper checklist as I find it to cumbersome to go back and forth between windows. Especially when the failures can cascade if not addressed in an expediant manner. Steve Jordan Aviation Structural Mechanic SH-60B/HH-60H/MH-60R/MH-60S USN FSX Hours: 3000 and counting
December 6, 201015 yr Thanks Robert ,Hope to see the manuals in the mail soon.Is there any chance of seeing a training outline that should be used in studying for the release and usage of the 737NG? JeffG Jeffrey Gerbert
December 6, 201015 yr I have a question. The operating manuals cover all of the procedures for flight. So...What would someone need to get the FCTM for? I'm just trying to decide which documentation to buy. Does the Flight Crew Training Manual cover normal proceedures in more of an explanatory way? I guess I'm trying to figure out how the FCTM differs from the normal proceedures section of the operating manuals? Thanks so much!PS: PMDG, thank you so much for your wonderful effort, and for giving us something to read while we wait. ;) Ethan Rayhorn My Office: (Taken at FL410)
December 6, 201015 yr This may be a random question, but where is the printed material shipped from?Thanks,Isaac Magalhaes Isaac Magalhaes
December 6, 201015 yr The operating manuals cover all of the procedures for flight. So...What would someone need to get the FCTM for? I suspect there is a subtle difference here between "normal procedures" (which the operating manual covers) and which has to do more with specific cockpit procedures, button clicking, (like using anti-ice, etc.) and flight procedures which FCTM is concentrating on. For example if you were looking for specific information how to execute say an RNP approach it would be fully covered by the FCTM and not the operating manual. FCTM should give you better overall picture how to fly rather than which button to push. There may also be a slight overlap between both manuals. This is my educated guess only and no doubt someone who has seen the manuals will fill in the blanks. Michael J.
December 6, 201015 yr I suspect there is a subtle difference here between "normal procedures" (which the operating manual covers) and which has to do more with specific cockpit procedures, button clicking, (like using anti-ice, etc.) and flight procedures which FCTM is concentrating on. For example if you were looking for specific information how to execute say an RNP approach it would be fully covered by the FCTM and not the operating manual. FCTM should give you better overall picture how to fly rather than which button to push. There may also be a slight overlap between both manuals. This is my educated guess only and no doubt someone who has seen the manuals will fill in the blanks.Ok, cool. Thank you! You are very knowledgeable as is evident in all of your posts! I will definutely need the Captain's Flight Manual Set. PMDG, Why is FedEx Ground an option on the shipping of the captains manuals set, ONLY if delivered to a business? I get fedex stuff all the time at my house. I would much prefer fedex over USPS.EDIT: Plus it is a lot cheaper. I didn't even realize that before. Ethan Rayhorn My Office: (Taken at FL410)
December 6, 201015 yr Commercial Member This may be a random question, but where is the printed material shipped from?Thanks,Isaac MagalhaesIt's shipped directly from Jetpubs in Wisconsin I believe. Ryan MaziarzFor fastest support, please submit a ticket at http://support.precisionmanuals.com
December 6, 201015 yr for some reason i mean to remember that the printed NGX manuals were supposed to be less expensive than the MD-11 manuals?sorry too pricey for me. Denis Kosbeck KPHX
December 6, 201015 yr It's shipped directly from Jetpubs in Wisconsin I believe.Thanks!This is definitely an investment. Will be ordering one this week. Isaac Magalhaes
December 6, 201015 yr To expensive for me, couldn't hide that much money from the wife! :( Regards,Alan Norris Live Video Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/aystertv
December 6, 201015 yr Jose & James, I do want to get the chief pilot but the shipping costs to UK stops me. $67 cheapest is it really 67 dollars to ship to the uk!?I live in Manchester,UK and shipping with FEDEX (international priority) was $42.48 for both the MD11 and NGX manuals (combined).Chris.
December 6, 201015 yr I'm going to wait until I have flown the NGX before shelling out $$$ on a manual. Is the 737NG all that different from say a 737-400?Buttons look pretty much the same - cold and dark procedure will be pretty much the same, maybe the odd tweak here and there. Most FMC's are easy to use once you've got to grips with the lingo and what it all means.If the manuals are supplied via PDF with the product, my iPad can read PDF's and I can see the info at night. While I can appriciate the print / manufacturing costs I think the price is too high. If I was flying a real 737, yeah, sure every piece of knowledge about the nooks and crannies are essential but for FSX, not convinced. They'll be expensive book ends within a week I suspect. BUT, I will hold off final judgement until after I'm in the air.Chris Farrell Chris Farrell
December 6, 201015 yr The 737 NGX page has changed from "coming 2010" to "coming soon", so from last Jan "coming summer and 777 by end of year" it looks like PMDG mist the year they said/hoped for.Unless "coming soon" for once does not mean in the next 2-3 years and really mean's "coming soon", ? David Murden. MSFS • Fenix A320 • PMDG 737 • MG Honda Jet • 414 / TDS 750Xi • FS-ATC Chatter • FlyingIron Spitfire & ME109G • MG Honda Jet • • Fenix A320 Walkthrough PDF • Flightsim.to • DCS • A10c II • F-16c • F/A-18c • F-14 • (Others in hanger) • Supercarrier • Terrains = • Nevada NTTR • Persian Gulf • Syria • Marianas • • [email protected] All Cores HT ON • 32GB DDR4 3200MHz • RTX 3080 • TM Warthog HOTAS • TM TPR • Corsair Virtuoso XT with Dolby Atmos® • Samsung G7 32" 1440p 240Hz • TrackIR 5 & ProClip •
December 6, 201015 yr About the books, how can someone from the UK buy the books without paying a lot for shiping, will aerosoft sell them?People in europe would like them as much as you people in the USA, any ideas? David Murden. MSFS • Fenix A320 • PMDG 737 • MG Honda Jet • 414 / TDS 750Xi • FS-ATC Chatter • FlyingIron Spitfire & ME109G • MG Honda Jet • • Fenix A320 Walkthrough PDF • Flightsim.to • DCS • A10c II • F-16c • F/A-18c • F-14 • (Others in hanger) • Supercarrier • Terrains = • Nevada NTTR • Persian Gulf • Syria • Marianas • • [email protected] All Cores HT ON • 32GB DDR4 3200MHz • RTX 3080 • TM Warthog HOTAS • TM TPR • Corsair Virtuoso XT with Dolby Atmos® • Samsung G7 32" 1440p 240Hz • TrackIR 5 & ProClip •
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