I regard my subscription as the price to pay to show that simmers are interested in the potential it has, if you like I'm nailing my colours to the mast and saying ''yes, keep going LM''. As it stands P3D doesn't offer that much more than FSX can do for me, but FSX is not going to change, it is done, and P3D will only change to suit me if I show myself willing to support what is being done. There are other irons in the fire of course, with X-Plane and Flight, but considering how grim flight simming was looking when MS pulled the plug on FS, and the constant march of dumbed-down consoles, I'm prepared to throw that tenner at things to keep the PC sim notion alive. Al

Absolutely. And I completely respect supporting a fledgling, promising company (yeah right, Lockheed is omnipotent). The only issue is my wallet isn't full enough to line the coffers of such companies. I begrudge enough the idea of having put over $35,000 towards ratings. An additional $40,000 to tuition in school. So on and so forth. Simulation to me is already an expensive hobby. Monthly subs aren't my cup of tea at this point in my life. (I'm broke)

I spent an entire week deciding if I should switch or not. I switched after I read this post. http://forum.avsim.n...96#entry2117896 Also, P3D seems to be MUCH more resistant to crashing compared to it's older counterpart FSX.

Thanks for the link, Ben!

I am not a ######. I spent an entire week deciding if I should switch or not. I switched after I read this post. http://forum.avsim.n...96#entry2117896 Also, P3D seems to be MUCH more resistant to crashing compared to it's older counterpart FSX.

Drop the attitude. We're well aware now that you just love PREPAR3D. Let us all get along and discuss.

That's what I have been trying to say!!

Stop attacking me, and relax. I am a ###### and I don't deny it. I do love P3D more than FSX because FSX is an old and crude program. An improvement/change has been needed for quite some time. At first, I was utterly skeptical. BUT, when I noticed the performance increase I had such an epiphany. I realized how silly it was that FSX was nearly 6 years old and we are using "supercomputers" to run it at marginal performance. I don't think that's right. I have a 3.60GHz Phenom 920 running P3D steady at 45 frames.--That's a serious increases over FSX. This is the way simming ought to be. Fast as a video game but, realistic just like a simulator.

I'll stick to my PC

So can I get a little more information on a statement from the P3D homepage which says: "Prepare3D furthers... while maintaining compatibility with Microsoft Flight Simulator X, allowing many thousands of add-ons to be used within Prepar3D." What addons do work then; scenery, payware planes, what? The thing I'm not understanding is why the request for port to P3D? Shouldn't it already work if "thousands of add-ons" are supported? I apologize but this has me confused.

So can I get a little more information on a statement from the P3D homepage which says: "Prepare3D furthers... while maintaining compatibility with Microsoft Flight Simulator X, allowing many thousands of add-ons to be used within Prepar3D." What addons do work then; scenery, payware planes, what? The thing I'm not understanding is why the request for port to P3D? Shouldn't it already work if "thousands of add-ons" are supported? I apologize but this has me confused.

It is still ESP. Nearly EVERY addon works within P3D. I want the NGX to be ported so we can have FULL product/patch support from PMDG. The NGX already works BUT, I want PMDG to fully support it.

I'd happily pay a couple hundred bucks -- maybe more -- for a stable, supported replacement for FSX, if it accepted all or even most of my existing commercial addons, offered the same or better features as FSX, and the same or better stability and performance. I can't see myself paying a monthly subscription, though, because that's the start of a very slippery slope. It starts off as "just $10 for the sim", and very quickly becomes "well, it's $10 for the base package, and you want weather, right? That's another $10, and another $10 for ATC, and you do want to be able to install addons, yeah? That'll be another $15, and then we'll have the very reasonable per-addon installation fee of $5, and..." You get my drift. By and large I've stopped buying PC and Xbox games for much the same reason, because the cost is very carefully hidden upfront, and continues to expand at a frantic pace once you've bought in. And then, the day the developer decides their ROI isn't enough, or they don't want to support your hardware any more, or whatever the reason, tough luck on you for spending all that money, but we've shut down the activation server or disabled your access to the software, buh-bye now. So yeah. Charge me what the product costs, up front. Don't nickel and dime me. I'll pay quite a bit. Probably more than you think I will. I'm not a commercial customer, but you can put them on different licensing terms, and charge them $500. But until that happens, Prepar3D won't get a cent from me, and hence I won't be asking PMDG to work with them.

My 2 cents..IF it was 64 bit I would pull the trigger...until then I have no choice but to stay were I am. I have way to much invested already with FS9,FSX, X-plane add-ons. They would ALL have to be supported....And the transition should be seamless

My 2 cents..IF it was 64 bit I would pull the trigger...until then I have no choice but to stay were I am. I have way to much invested already with FS9,FSX, X-plane add-ons. They would ALL have to be supported....And the transition should be seamless

Well you can spend your 2 cents.... Although, John Nicol has mentioned it from time to time, I don't think 64 bit is close in the future for P3D...

Well you can spend your 2 cents.... Although, John Nicol has mentioned it from time to time, I don't think 64 bit is close in the future for P3D...

Thats to bad because P3D sounds great but thats what we really need. A good 64 bit sim!

Thats to bad because P3D sounds great but thats what we really need. A good 64 bit sim!

Wait maybe 35 years and you will be pleased by the simulators of the future... jk

To be honestly, I don't like the idea of "subscription" for something like this... I mean, every PC game you just buy it, pay for it once and that's it. FSX has its problems, but like any other PC game, it's US$30 and that's all... maybe US$60 at release? (I paid in brazilian real...). The point is I really don't think it should be any different with an "evolution" of FSX. Consider the statement above, and the price -- which I think is too discrepant from FSX, too high... Well, maybe it's just not for me. My 2 centavos.

As much of my tax money that has been sucked up by LM when the US govt buys new aircraft from them, they should offer every single American taxpayer a subscription to this thing for free.

$499 should be sold to flight schools. if you rent it for $10per month, imagine having it 10 years ++++ like i have Microsoft Flight Simulator,. that would be $1200.00 for the dam thing. For home simmers the price should be no more than $100. Until then for me I call it "no joy" .

I'd happily pay a couple hundred bucks -- maybe more -- for a stable, supported replacement for FSX, if it accepted all or even most of my existing commercial addons, offered the same or better features as FSX, and the same or better stability and performance. I can't see myself paying a monthly subscription, though, because that's the start of a very slippery slope. It starts off as "just $10 for the sim", and very quickly becomes "well, it's $10 for the base package, and you want weather, right? That's another $10, and another $10 for ATC, and you do want to be able to install addons, yeah? That'll be another $15, and then we'll have the very reasonable per-addon installation fee of $5, and..." You get my drift. By and large I've stopped buying PC and Xbox games for much the same reason, because the cost is very carefully hidden upfront, and continues to expand at a frantic pace once you've bought in. And then, the day the developer decides their ROI isn't enough, or they don't want to support your hardware any more, or whatever the reason, tough luck on you for spending all that money, but we've shut down the activation server or disabled your access to the software, buh-bye now. So yeah. Charge me what the product costs, up front. Don't nickel and dime me. I'll pay quite a bit. Probably more than you think I will. I'm not a commercial customer, but you can put them on different licensing terms, and charge them $500. But until that happens, Prepar3D won't get a cent from me, and hence I won't be asking PMDG to work with them.

+1

I'd happily pay a couple hundred bucks -- maybe more -- for a stable, supported replacement for FSX, if it accepted all or even most of my existing commercial addons, offered the same or better features as FSX, and the same or better stability and performance. I can't see myself paying a monthly subscription, though, because that's the start of a very slippery slope. It starts off as "just $10 for the sim", and very quickly becomes "well, it's $10 for the base package, and you want weather, right? That's another $10, and another $10 for ATC, and you do want to be able to install addons, yeah? That'll be another $15, and then we'll have the very reasonable per-addon installation fee of $5, and..." You get my drift. By and large I've stopped buying PC and Xbox games for much the same reason, because the cost is very carefully hidden upfront, and continues to expand at a frantic pace once you've bought in. And then, the day the developer decides their ROI isn't enough, or they don't want to support your hardware any more, or whatever the reason, tough luck on you for spending all that money, but we've shut down the activation server or disabled your access to the software, buh-bye now. So yeah. Charge me what the product costs, up front. Don't nickel and dime me. I'll pay quite a bit. Probably more than you think I will. I'm not a commercial customer, but you can put them on different licensing terms, and charge them $500. But until that happens, Prepar3D won't get a cent from me, and hence I won't be asking PMDG to work with them.

The point I was trying to make in an earlier post! Well said.

$499 should be sold to flight schools. if you rent it for $10per month, imagine having it 10 years ++++ like i have Microsoft Flight Simulator,. that would be $1200.00 for the dam thing. For home simmers the price should be no more than $100. Until then for me I call it "no joy" .

YES!