Hi Fred,You can add me to the list P3D supporters. I've already moved most of my 3rd. party addons over to P3D and will continue to do so as I have time. I believe P3D is the wave of the immediate future for the sim pilot, one day in the future XPlane?? may join the ranks, but as of today (imho) XPlane10 is not ready. FSX is still a viable product with a few years left, with that said, P3D is superior performance wise on my system so I've made the switch a few months ago. I still use FSX for everything except the PMDG737-NGX.Bottom line, Flight has don't nothing to our growing sim community, they just won't be a part of it anymore. We still have FS9, FSX, P3D and XPlane10, the choice is yours.

Thanks Tom for that very interesting post.All of the RW pilots that I communicate with are looking at P3D as the platform of choice, because it is Alive and being developed.PM are also using P3D for their "Boeing Suite".Fred.

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

Hi Jean Paul,I sure hope your right, I hate to miss out on any future PMDG projects.

Well, I hope they'll find a way because otherwise, it would be a terrible waste.

That's Lockeed-Martin's worry, not your's. I'm fairly confident that L-M's legal department can beat up MS's lawyers... :(

and if they couldn't I'm sure there's a missile that will miss it's intended target at the range in Washington State. :(

And so I got a locked out of the thread I started in LM's defense on LM forum. While I did use some harsh language, it was all into benefit for P3D (and not at all that harsh). That is what you get for trying to push the sim a step forward and also get other users over. I guess I'll tone my attempts down. LM doesn't need it...

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by Kosta

Bottom line, Flight has don't nothing to our growing sim community, they just won't be a part of it anymore. We still have FS9, FSX, P3D and XPlane10, the choice is yours.

+1 No doubt about itWhile FS9 refuses to give up the ghost it seems fewer developers are supporting it now.FSX has a number of years left on it but if P3D v2 really sees significant improvement there might be a bunch of MSFS getting on board in great haste.Then there's XP which also gathered a lot of attention Aerosoft, REX, Carenado and now possibly PMDG warming up to it. While the consensus, from what I have read, seams like it has some growth and maturing to do. It does have a big advantage IMO of being a retail product that can go on store shelves at Best Buy etc.Seems like the prudent thing for those undecided would be just to give pause until the fallout settles, which might take awhile.

Edited January 8, 201214 yr by Blaze

And so I got a locked out of the thread I started in LM's defense on LM forum. While I did use some harsh language, it was all into benefit for P3D (and not at all that harsh). That is what you get for trying to push the sim a step forward and also get other users over. I guess I'll tone my attempts down. LM doesn't need it...

The language was ... oh well :( but John updated his reply, added a smiley "to take the edge off." .... and posted on the PMDG forum :(

Edited January 8, 201214 yr by Jean-Paul Mes

......all this beggers the question:- do any of you ever get the time to fly.Very similar to the Motorcycle fraternity who spend their time talking, fiddling, polishing etc. and maybe one day find the weather just right for a run out. :(

......all this beggers the question:- do any of you ever get the time to fly.

I at least do - see my latest screenshots of the 10hr flight from London to Dallas. In the meantime I also did a short hop in Europe, but this time no shots and installed some aircraft into the sim.

Has anyone thought about making the kneeboard html page the forum url instead of a local html file? Then you could fly and skim the forum at the same time.

Wow this really is the 'tin-foil hat' thread. I was going to post earlier but thought that all the talk of terrorists, Iran, DPRK etc would get me on somekind of watch list and frankly i don't want LM using there mind control rays through Prepar3d. Relax, LM don't care about us as customers, they do however want our simulation knowledge Will they bin home users, no i doubt it at least not on purpose; they just won't care if they break something we (the home simmers) need. It's actually a pretty good match i think, we can help them, they know that and we can also reap the benefits of that relationship with an almost custom made sim, we just have to be prepared for a messy divorce when our needs take a back seat to LM's business direction. To me this is a fantastic opportunity at the moment, I doubt we'll get this chance again!

Wow this really is the 'tin-foil hat' thread.I was going to post earlier but thought that all the talk of terrorists, Iran, DPRK etc would get me on somekind of watch list and frankly i don't want LM using there mind control rays through Prepar3d. Relax, LM don't care about us as customers, they do however want our simulation knowledge Will they bin home users, no i doubt it at least not on purpose; they just won't care if they break something we (the home simmers) need.It's actually a pretty good match i think, we can help them, they know that and we can also reap the benefits of that relationship with an almost custom made sim, we just have to be prepared for a messy divorce when our needs take a back seat to LM's business direction.To me this is a fantastic opportunity at the moment, I doubt we'll get this chance again!

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Post removed by myself. (Talking about P3D has to be done with care for the moment being...)

Edited January 10, 201214 yr by J van E

Mike_CFI I'm with you. P3D is already as good as FSX - why not it has benefited from all the advances in hardware and software developments. But now has the opportunity to go a long way ahead.I have had a few problems transferring some add-ons across, and there are some like the PMDG NGX which I would prefer to do by Side by Side Licence so I hope they sort things out with LM.Remember with LM and Micorosoft, battalions ney armies of corporate lawyers surround all moves like a hungry squadron ready to dive! So an excess of caution prevails.However for PMDG and Flight 1 who are not happy about the terms in relation to P3D they may well have made a good business decision. But already many of these aircraft have been successfully migrated to P3D by the gurus in the community and no doubt full instructions will be available in the darkest recesses of the web soon to do this. I would happily pay a reasonable price for a SBSL so that I could be sure all was done correctly.Also of course the next wave of add-ons will be made for P3D and FSX (like the FS9/FSX pattern). Therefore to stay out of this market will again be a careful decision to make.Whether LM knew they were on a winner with the general flightsim community I don't know, but they surely should by now.For me, I find myself opening P3D more often than FSX, and as I bring Orbx scenery, REX environment, and Plan G which works well with P3D. As well I will buy MTX for P3D to populate my airfields so we're on the way. I am sure jetways and the like are not far behind or our gurus may already have successfully migrated them. My controls all work in P3D because I simply copied the control xml over from FSX.

Wow this really is the 'tin-foil hat' thread.I was going to post earlier but thought that all the talk of terrorists, Iran, DPRK etc would get me on somekind of watch list and frankly i don't want LM using there mind control rays through Prepar3d. Relax, LM don't care about us as customers, they do however want our simulation knowledge Will they bin home users, no i doubt it at least not on purpose; they just won't care if they break something we (the home simmers) need.It's actually a pretty good match i think, we can help them, they know that and we can also reap the benefits of that relationship with an almost custom made sim, we just have to be prepared for a messy divorce when our needs take a back seat to LM's business direction.To me this is a fantastic opportunity at the moment, I doubt we'll get this chance again!

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Hey guys, speculation like this does nothing to change the future, which of course only LM knows. So, unless anyone on this forum is a genuine insider free of an NDA then all we can do is guess. And like tea-cup readers stir and shake every word that comes from LM or one of the major devs. Personally my position in this is suck it and see. At the moment the taste is fine. I won't mix the metaphor but while P3D continues to develop in the direction it is presently headed then I will stay with it. It already runs as well as or better in some repects than my FSX. If it goes up to DX11 or whatever, in v2.0 great by me. If it breaks backward compatibility then I will assess the situation on a pro and con basis as to the financial and personal good sense of moving over and away from FSX.But there is no point in borrowing trouble. For me it is just patience and time that will resolve all of these apparently unanswerable question. Right now LM have already given us improvements such as threading which we have pleaded with MS to give us for the last 5 yrs. I do think that John Nicol and others in LM are listening to us, not solely and baselessly to pick up new clues from some of our highly technical members, but also themselves to see how their quasi entry into the general sub-professional training arena pans out. And it is training. The 50000 consumers in our category want to fly realistic aircraft in realistic weather, conducting published approaches controlled by a good ATC. We are the trainees at whom this upgraded FSX is aimed at, just as much as the full motion professional simulators that cost so much, and for which the base $499 is the least of the costs.And frankly after all these years of FSX and inadequate hardware and a clunky programme, tuning and adjusting FSX became more immersive than flying. Now we have a whole new simulator to play with, tweak, smooth out and enjoy. It is just as life-changing as a stent.