Alot of you here obviously have no clue how the defense industry works...All it would take for P3D to be "put behind a wall", is the stroke of a pen by some unnamed person in the bowels of the Pentagon and POOOOF!Its gone from public view... again LM is not a computer simulation company and its definitely not a computer gaming company. its a high end US defense Manufacture and anything they do is with that focus in mind.Anyone who thinks anything else is setting themselves up for the same levee of disappointment you just endured with MS FLIGHT, you are ignoring all the evidence just like you did with FLIGHT...Must be something in the drinking water these days... logic and common sense seems to be in short supply.

Yeah, a flight model from fsx with people flying around with boeings and GA. I can see why the DOD would jump in and put an end to it. Back in the real world. The DCS franchise is paid for by the military because they commission the sims and then we are lucky enough to purchase them. If the DOD lets us fly around with with practically every system in an a10 perfectly modeled then I don't think they will be grounding your beechcraft anytime soon.

Yeah, a flight model from fsx with people flying around with boeings and GA. I can see why the DOD would jump in and put an end to it. Back in the real world. The DCS franchise is paid for by the military because they commission the sims and then we are lucky enough to purchase them. If the DOD lets us fly around with with practically every system in an a10 perfectly modeled then I don't think they will be grounding your beechcraft anytime soon.

Oh dear, here we go again... denial runs deep around here...Plz go and read from LM very own P3D website...http://www.lockheedm...10Prepar3d.html

Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) has released its new Prepar3D ™ software that enables rapid creation of medium-fidelity simulations for training exercises.

The Prepar3D ™ (pronounced “prepared”) software interface gives organizations the ability to conduct more realistic and robust training exercises by adding platforms such as air and ground vehicles to training systems that run on Distributed Interactive Simulation (DIS). DIS is an open standard for conducting real-time platform-level wargaming and is widely used by military organizations.

“The Prepar3D™ interface will enhance the ability of military services to provide realistic and integrated training experiences for warfighters before they deploy, so they can fight exactly as they've trained," said Chester Kennedy, vice president of Engineering at Lockheed Martin’s Simulation, Training & Support business unit. "One example would be an aircraft flying in the Prepar3D ™ environment which can now be joined to a system such as Warfighter’s Simulation, which simulates large-scale training exercises, for a richer training experience. We can quickly create custom training solutions based on a customer’s needs.”

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Jacoba

You must also remember that LM isn't a software company and it certainly isn't a gaming or simulation company... they are a high end defense contractor, so anything they do will be for the benefit of that alone. If it has any unintended benefits such as giving us a new sim, it's purely coincident and not intentional.And once something comes up that pays them more money to move in a different direction or wants P3D to be something else, P3D will be gone too...One only needs to read this press release to see we are not their target market....http://www.lockheedm...10Prepar3d.html

Bohemia Interactive does something like this with their defense products (VBS2, etc.) sharing the engine with their games (Arma II, etc.) so there's a basis for this kind of business model. LM is going to develop this for professional simulators and training purposes but if they right pieces fall into place we could benefit as well.

Bohemia Interactive does something like this with their defense products (VBS2, etc.) sharing the engine with their games (Arma II, etc.) so there's a basis for this kind of business model.LM is going to develop this for professional simulators and training purposes but if they right pieces fall into place we could benefit as well.

I don't deny that at all... I hope we do benefit from it, but many here for reasons passing understanding seem to think that LM actually cares about Flight Simulator Hobbiest...

Alot of you here obviously have no clue how the defense industry works...All it would take for P3D to be "put behind a wall", is the stroke of a pen by some unnamed person in the bowels of the Pentagon and POOOOF!Its gone from public view... again LM is not a computer simulation company and its definitely not a computer gaming company. its a high end US defense Manufacture and anything they do is with that focus in mind.Anyone who thinks anything else is setting themselves up for the same levee of disappointment you just endured with MS FLIGHT, you are ignoring all the evidence just like you did with FLIGHT...Must be something in the drinking water these days... logic and common sense seems to be in short supply.

The government can't shut down LM selling Prepar3d anymore then it can tell Bohemia Interactive or the DCS crew to stop selling Arma II or A-10 Warthog.It doesn't appear to me that the government is even the primary target of what LM is doing. They seem more to be pointing Prepar3d at civilian training schools, simulators, etc.

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by bonchie

In all this I received a wake up call that Microsoft is no longer with us in the world of more advanced flight simulation. They clearly changed directions. So I spent a couple of hours over on the Prepar3D website. I need to move on.Right now I'm torn between Prepar3D or my copy of FSX on a much newer machine with about the same amount of money spent on the latest version of add-ons that I happen to like. I'm a bit obsolete on several fronts. Money is not the issue here. I just want to get to something a little better than what I had when I basically hung it up waiting on this newest disaster. Under any scenario, MS is years away from getting back to an improved FSX if ever.And all this gives some added incentive for the support community to keep on truckin'. They are going to be around for a long time.Bob - Las Cruces, NM

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Toys_R_Us

Until LM decides to add a new feature for their professional customers that breaks backward compatibility with the NGX, or with GoFlight modules.

That will not happen for the simple reason that many of their honest-to-goodness manufacters and customers of flight training devices use GoFlight and other such hardware for their professional simulators, such as RedBird and others.Poor John probably has more dents in his wall and a splitting headache by now!

New models and animations? And with a new DX11 doubt the older DX based gauges in addon planes would work anymore.

Current gauges don't use any DX features now, so that's not a relevant factor.

10,000 P3d sim enthusiasts = $1.2 million a year!

The government can't shut down LM selling Prepar3d anymore then it can tell Bohemia Interactive or the DCS crew to stop selling Arma II or A-10 Warthog.It doesn't appear to me that the government is even the primary target of what LM is doing. They seem more to be pointing Prepar3d at civilian training schools, simulators, etc.

LOL... :lol:Okay, now you're really showing your ignorance on this subject.Yes the .gov can stop any defense contractor from selling a given product, they can, they have before, and they will again... this is especially true regarding two main categories, public access to a given product and exportation of a given product.When you make blanket statements like the one you just did, I'll let them speak for themselves...Because I and many others here on this forum, who work almost daily in direct business relationships with these types of defense contractors know just how this works.The business relationship that defense contractors (DC) share with .gov's is extremely unique and nearly alien to what the rest of the business world does in day to day operations... The little corner office that the DLA maintains on all its DC properties wields massive power.

10,000 P3d sim enthusiasts = $1.2 million a year!

The same amount the US Pentagon spends on post-it notes each month...

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Jacoba

LOL... :lol:Okay, now you're really showing your ignorance on this subject.Yes the .gov can stop any defense contractor from selling a given product, they can, they have before, and they will again... this is especially true regarding two main categories, public access to a given product and exportation or a given product.When you make blanket statements like the one you just did, I'll let them speak for themselves...Because I and many others here on this forum, who work almost daily in direct business relationships with these types of defense contractors know just how this works.The business relationship that defense contractors (DC) share with .gov's is extremely unique and nearly alien to what the rest of the business world does in day to day operations... The little corner office that the DLA maintains on all its DC properties wields massive power.

Is Prepar3d even being used by the government?Secondly, the government can do a lot of things. They could come shut your private business down in various ways if they really wanted to.What exactly is your evidence that such a scenario is likely or realistic though? For what reason would the government try to stop LM's primary market with Prepar3d, which appears to be civilian at this point?If they don't mind DCS selling A-10 simulators or BI selling Arma II even though it uses VBS2's engine then why exactly would they shut down a civilian simulator? There are several companies selling games built on the basis of engines they also use as defense contractors. None of them are getting shut down or even seem to be worried about such happening.You seem to be crying wolf. What's the real danger here?

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by bonchie

10,000 P3d sim enthusiasts = $1.2 million a year!

lol Lockheed Receives $1.96 Billion THAAD Production Contract for the UAE

And ONE more time for those that haven't seen it.I will ask you this at the end of reading it, please exaplain to me WHY John Nicol from LM would post this message if they were not interested in people on Avsim as potential customers?Clearly they are heading down the path of P3D with or without 'serious simmers' such as ourselves. Maybe they have decided they can make a little extra $ on the side if they DO include us?Quote - John Nicol - Lead Dev for P3D at LM:"Just to be clear (and trying not to sound defensive!). Anyone can purchase Prepar3D. We do not sell it as an entertainment product and the EULA talks about that, which means that it will not be appearing on the shelves of Best Buy next to Call of Duty any time soon..... I am not sure where the rumour started that we sell only to certain people, but anyone can buy it. It isn't about consumers, but end-use. If you are a pilot, simulation user, student, whatever and want to use it for familiarization, training, taxiing over bugs then go for it. If you are 10 or 110 it doesn't matter. If you want to use it at an arcade game, then buy something else. You can go to our website and purchase it with a credit card and download it. The commercial license version is $499 and we have added a considerable amount of features and made a lot of bug fixes to the code that we were fortunate enough to procure from Microsoft. A list of features can be found on our website at www.prepar3D.com. We certainly have added in bathymetry data to allow the use of submersibles and we have added in a few features for hard-core users that they should find interesting including true multi-channel (spreads the load of the image generator across multiple PCs), update to DirectInput 8 to allow up to 32 axes and 128 buttons per joystick, sensor views (night vision and infra-red), updated landclasses, GPS upgrades and so on. We have also updated and improved the SDK documentation and added more samples for developers. We are also going to be releasing an update version 1.2 of Prepar3D and the SDK in the next few weeks.Those that are looking to test, integrate, develop, investigate etc and therefore do not require a full commercial license can subscribe for $9.95 per month and receive 2 copies of the software. That is an option that many people are taking and I would be glad to see more people come on board and see what they can do with the app! There are no restrictions to joining the developer network.If people are using Prepar3D for commercial activities, then switching to the commercial license is appropriate and required.

Just as long as we stay off LM forums and not post "I installed the new Battlefield drivers now I CTD, please help..." I don't see why they would care at all.

They would care when Microsoft sue them for breach of contract

They would care when Microsoft sue them for breach of contract

That's Lockeed-Martin's worry, not your's. I'm fairly confident that L-M's legal department can beat up MS's lawyers... :(