Good Lord, they're all just computer games....this "hardcore" business is just adolescent chest-beating. Criticize MS Flight all day long if you wish on its merits as entertainment software, but let's not pretend that time logged in FSX will appear anywhere on your FAA type-rating application.

I have been a hardcore simmer for years and I really like Flight.......if your'e not gonna play it dont moan about it.....!!!!!!!

Everyone should be allowed to public their opinion, and his post was totally appropriate. So please do not be childish. I cant find Flight currently interesting as it lacks ATC and areas where I like to fly, but I can say one positive thing about it. Thanks to lots of Flight conversation regarding General Aviation flying I have found flying smaller planes fun in FSX, bought that Accu Sim environment thing for FSX and Carenado Cessna Skywagon, and with them I am having lots of fun bush flying in Papua.

Good Lord, they're all just computer games....this "hardcore" business is just adolescent chest-beating. Criticize MS Flight all day long if you wish on its merits as entertainment software, but let's not pretend that time logged in FSX will appear anywhere on your FAA type-rating application.

Thank you! God, i hate the sense of entitlement these people get just because they logged a bunch of hours in FSX.News flash: Nobody cares how "hardcore" you claim you are. Just because you played FSX for a while does not mean your opinion is somehow more valid than someone who is playing Flight for the first time.

There should be an in-game "cookie" award should be added to the pilot profile for answering a yes/no question on their profile. Do you consider yourself to be a hardcore sim pilot? Yes/NoAnswering yes gets you a cookie. :Idea:

I agree with the OP... I've not touched Flight for a week, and before that 5 min session, it was almost since the day it came out.

I don't know why you guys bash on anyone who hasn't "tried" (by your own standards) Flight. Is two hours enough? ten hours? or is more time needed to finally 'come' round to liking Flight? It's so condescending when you do that... Instead just appreciate that he gave it a try and didn't like it.

I too fall into the category of those who tried flight, but uninstalled it. But that was after trying it out for a lot longer than I thought I would. Certainly long enough to make me keep my eye on how it develops. Right now it doesn't do what I want, but if it makes others happy then that's fine with me.Now for a request. Could those who start topics without any intention of reading replies please make that fact clear in the first line of their post, so the rest of us can choose to treat them with similar disregard?

I too fall into the category of those who tried flight, but uninstalled it. But that was after trying it out for a lot longer than I thought I would. Certainly long enough to make me keep my eye on how it develops. Right now it doesn't do what I want, but if it makes others happy then that's fine with me.

Once again, I still strongly encourage folks that have the same sentiment as expressed above, to email the Flight team and - respectfully and professionally - express your dissappointment in what you got with Flight - and be specific as to why. Not a 2000 word essay, fairly short and sweet. They need to hear this kind of feedback as well. You never know, if enough folks that feel this way take the 5 minutes or so out of their day to do this, it may in a small way effect the direction Flight takes going forward.For instance myself, who so far has enjoyed Flight, that enjoyment will end going forward as future DLC is release by the lack of native Track IR support. I feel very strongly about that issue - anyone that has read much of my posts will know this. And if a lot of time goes by without implementation, this program will be uninstalled from my system. I can state without hesitation as of today, no future DLC will be purchased by me, unless either A: It is announced it will be added and approximately when, or B: It will be included with the next DLC release.I am truly passionate about that, and I have emailed the Flight team these same thoughts from my perspective, in a constructive and gracious way.I have too many other really good flight sims, FSX and some combat flight sims, currently intalled and available at a moments notice that do have native Track IR support. Matter of fact I have just purchased and installed IL2 Cliffs of Dover and am in the process of writing a joystick file for it. And yes, it automatically had support, first time I launched it I had my Track IR camera activated, and I was pleased that little blue light came on immediately showing it was supported, and it worked right out the chute. And the market for a sim such as Cliffs of Dover, and the size and resource of the developers for it, I am sure is much smaller than MS Flight...In fact, I have a new Track IR 5 in transit that will be here Monday, to replace the current Track IR4 I have running now. That is how much I love the device and it's importance to me in flight sims.

I don't know why you guys bash on anyone who hasn't "tried" (by your own standards) Flight. Is two hours enough? ten hours? or is more time needed to finally 'come' round to liking Flight? It's so condescending when you do that...

How much isn't enough? There are many games whose depth isn't apparent until you've spent some time in them. For a veteran simmer 10 minutes isn't enough. For a newcomer to flight sims, 10 minutes may be plenty to make a decision. For both of them, they may disover that they really like any game if they stay with it long enough to "get it."Two of my favorite games turned me off at first, even with a couple of hours in each. Later I went back to them, and discovered what the games were really all about, and spent hundreds of hours enjoying them. In the case of The Sims 1, it was a single sentence in a Prima guide that did it. In the case of X-Com, it was just playing the game just a little bit more. Is 10 minutes long enough to know that you don't like chess? For some people, it probably is, and they'll never like it. For others, they'll never discover the depth of the game in 10 minutes. For the veteran flight simmer, who already knows he likes flight sims, how long will it take him to discover the depth in Flight? The depth is there. The length of time it takes the veteran simmer to discover that depth is the amount of time that is enough. For some veteran flight simmers, whose definition of what makes a flight sim is sufficiently narrow that Flight, in its current form, doesn't cover it, it would take a lot longer, and they won't be willing to invest the time. But they're a very small part of the target market.Hook

Actually the op did make a good point. There could be another developer to step in and fill the sim void while adding the features that FLIGHT has. I do like MS FLIGHT a lot. But it is not a revolutionary product. It's evolutionary. And if MS does intend to leave the full fledged sim market, then they are at risk of being out flanked by another flight product. I'll bet you a pinky that the folks at X-Plane are having daily meetings on how to capture new flight customers after reading what plans MS has for FLIGHT. And I am sure there are others out there doing the same. There are millions of hardcore/moderate sim heads out there that will not move to FLIGHT. Too many to ignore.

I'll bet you a pinky that the folks at X-Plane are having daily meetings on how to capture new flight customers after reading what plans MS has for FLIGHT.

And that certainly would be a good thing for us flight simmers all the way around - whether Flight turns out to be a huge success or not, more quality offerings in the civilian flight sim market benefits all of us flight sim fans of that genre!

I foresee a new generation of flight simulators taking over from where FSX left off and Microsoft licking their wounds in a market they had once dominated. I foresee many of the MS Flight customers moving "up" to these new sims for a challenge and abandoning MS Flight altogether. I foresee MS Flight becoming a training ground for some other vendor's simulation. I have read somewhere that the old Aces staff are already making plans to muscle in. That's great news and gives hardcore simmers like me hope.Bye.CoolGunS

Dear captain Nostrodamus :P .......The whole "old aces team" are working on MS Flight except for about 2 who went to Lockheed Martin. (What you read is that 1 ex aces guy is trying to start up his own little business and it's not quite working out.)Fred.

Accu Sim environment thing for FSX and Carenado Cessna Skywagon, and with them I am having lots of fun bush flying in Papua.

I'm going to buy a (my first) Carenado plane today, but not really sure which one. Skywagon looks fun. Any thoughts?Sorry for the intrusion of this in the Flight?? forum.

And that certainly would be a good thing for us flight simmers all the way around - whether Flight turns out to be a huge success or not, more quality offerings in the civilian flight sim market benefits all of us flight sim fans of that genre!

Well said! Although my hopes are that Flight will continue and thrive, if it brings in new blood and spurs competition, we stand to benefit!

I agree with the OP... I've not touched Flight for a week, and before that 5 min session, it was almost since the day it came out.

Im positive you have spent more time complaining about Flight then flying it.