Has anyone tried recreating real life air disasters with the PMDG 737NGX?

 

No, not a morbid interest, just more interested to know how the sim performs, and how the numbers crunch up in comparison to the blackbox data available.

Sims are meant to be procedural more than technically correct, so you might get close numbers, but they're never going to be on point.

 

And people tend to get touchy on this subject, just as a forewarning. I personally don't really mind it - learning from other people's mistakes is a huge part of being a pilot - but some people think it's like stepping on graves, or just distasteful.

Here's one, using Flight1's ATR.

 

Wow. NOT fun being there.

Yeah, this is kinda distasteful in my opinion. I have definitely not tried this

Why, though? That's what I've always been curious about.

Distasteful, to me, would be doing it to put a plane down as part of a game. I fully understand how that could be an issue.

Recreating a disaster for the purpose of learning what happened, how it happened, or what broke down can be a valuable learning experience, however.

Why, though? That's what I've always been curious about.

Distasteful, to me, would be doing it to put a plane down as part of a game. I fully understand how that could be an issue.

Recreating a disaster for the purpose of learning what happened, how it happened, or what broke down can be a valuable learning experience, however.

You weren't here on 9/11...

I dont think there's much to be learned, its mostly about being entertained by being in the same situation that somebody that died was in

Aviation is not for the faint of heart. I just did my recurrent sim and one of our scenarios was AF447. Not being an Airbus, it was more informational, but we still did the deep stall and recovery.

 

Pilots choose a course of action based on pattern recognition. If you don't expose yourself to the patterns that lead to accidents, then you are unable to avoid them.

Come on guys,not every air disaster in history has to do with 9/11, or any other terrorist attack. There's a lot we can learn, and have learned, from crashes.

Why would it be distasteful to see where somebody else made a mistake? If we hadn't learned from crashes, they'd still be teaching you to violently move the rudder to get out of wake turbulence at AA.

If we hadn't learned anything from the Pan Am - KLM crash, it would have happened again.

Learning through making mistakes, whether they are your own or not, is the basis of every CRM course.

The bottom line is fellas, there is zilch, zero, nothing to be learnt from trying to recreate this kind of stuff. Far more can be learnt IMO simply by reading.

The bottom line is fellas, there is zilch, zero, nothing to be learnt from trying to recreate this kind of stuff. Far more can be learnt IMO simply by reading.

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You weren't here on 9/11...

 

Recreating 9/11 would be distasteful because there wasn't really any mechanical fault involved.

 

Learning through making mistakes, whether they are your own or not, is the basis of every CRM course.

 

+1

they used to show this as training vid I remember seeing it 30 yrs ago

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPr_gZzHRw

You weren't here on 9/11...

 

 

Recreating a crash for the sole purpose of learning what went wrong isn't distasteful to me. If an airline wishes to show aircrash investigation on the in-flight entertainment, I would most likely watch it, although some might freak out that they are showing aircraft crash, while being onboard an aircraft.

 

Recreating an act of terror is however a whole other story, and that is not only distasteful, but also disgusting! I think it's a little harsh to say that Tom. Because although many didn't lose relatives, a lot of folks did, and not knowing Kyle Rodgers situation you could've stepped on a sensitive area. In my own case I wasn't that old myself, but the pictures and the footage from that day is still very much printed in my mind!