Greg you are probably correct about checking the P3D version on install.

 

PMDG will probably check for the Pro version to justify their  "new" pricing structure.

Whereas Eaglesoft say they are developing for the Academic platform, expect to see more price fixing shenanigans from those Devs that fancy themselves as Training product providers, Flight1 I am looking at you here.

 

But as ever the market will vote with their wallets, and Devs normally end up going where the money is.

As great as P3Dv2.2 is, I'm not holding my breath for PMDG's entry into the Prepar3D world. Ian's link above reminded me of just how specific PMDG represented their licensing plans were going to be with P3D.  It's not the eventual P3D availability of PMDG's leading products I'm fretting. Instead, it is my fear of a significant price departure from their FSX counterparts predicated on the licensing differences. Also, since PMDG seems to have a penchant for never having met a lawyer they didn't like, I wouldn't be shocked if a more "active" examination of your licensing right-to-use is performed prior to purchase. 

 

We're just in a wait-and-see mode with them I guess. Hopefully my speculative fears end up being completely unfounded!

 

-Greg

 

You are likely correct on most if not all accounts.  One thing that does give me a bit of comfort is from Rob regarding the price changes:

 

If you are an individual consumer with a price sensitive budget, you will always be able to purchase our products on FSX or Xplane at a consumer pricing level.  If you wish to step up to one of our enterprise solutions on P3D or Xplane, you won't find the cost difference to be too dramatic unless you are buying licenses for training use.  (So there isn't any need to panic- you won't have to pay $25,000 for a solution unless you are running an airline training center, and no BAV doesn't count... :ph34r: )

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/427010-multi-platform-pricing-policy-expectations-fsxp3dxplane

 

If I read that in as much context as I can, I don't expect it to be a great impact since I have the Academic version.  Seems like there will be an increase, but not the kind that would make you fall out of your chair.  Of course, this is all relative since price sensitivities will vary with everyone.

 

IHere's to hoping they release the 777 on P3D soon... maybe Q2 of 2014 is the new Q1

 

-Phil

It is a shame to lose Flight1 though...

 

 

Why, what happened to them?

Why, what happened to them?

They are a bit anti for whatever reason. But, they sell the Ifly 737 for $79 USD, and even current FSX owners of the Ifly have to pay that too. #####, the same plane, but a different installer. 

 

P3Dv2 will be a cash cow for some developers, and I hope it is. The more the better. Just watch F1 principles go out the window when the dollars start slowing to a crawl for their fsx market.

It is a shame to lose Flight1 though, over the years they have consistently released great aircraft

I agree

 

 

 

Just watch F1 principles go out the window when the dollars start slowing to a crawl for their fsx market.

I think it's all speculation at this point. Sure you might end up being right but, who knows, maybe they're aligning themselves with another market?  While P3d has a lot going for its not the only platform out there. The same could be said for Captain Sim or any other developer that hasn't committed to P3d.

I don't understand why captain sim hasn't if I'm honest, PMDG and Flight 1 sure because of licensing but I don't think CS would have the same problems

Just for info, I've been running the CS 707, 727 and C-130 in P3Dv2.2, installed using the Flightsim Estonia migrator tool. It's early days, but so far no great problems. There are some minor graphics glitches, such as the 727 autopilot pop-up being too dark to see around dawn ( just turn on some of the VC panel lights to resolve it, until its day time in the sim, then they can be turned off again ). Other than that, very happy with what I'm getting - so far.

I have installed Prepare3d V2.3 (fresh install) and reinstalled the CS 737, CS 130, CS 707 and CS B52, all fresh installs with the Estonia Migrator Tool.  All the switches do not work, not clickable in the virtual cockpit.  I have also noticed that the landing gear is retracted or not visible when the aircraft are loaded.

 

In P3D V2.2 all these aircraft functioned with very well with only minor issues so the current issues stem in P3D V2.3.

 

Has anyone else found success with the older CS aircraft in P3D V2.3?

 

 

 

John E. Miller

You know you would think that I have learned my lesson, but every once in while I have to try and cross that river of crocodiles anyway.  I was really happy up until last night, I had installed CS727 onto Prepar3D version 2.3 thinking surely this should work line a champ, and at first it did.  I mean it really looks good, everything worked, even the outside lights and sounds are perfect.  Then when I went to restart the sim, I got the "could not find the saved file" followed by the dreaded "Cannot find installed aircrarft."

 

I could go into a rant about  how what kind of software company makes a program that you paid for, modify and corrupt your files to the point you will have to do a complete reinstall of P3D?  But I won't.

 

Let me make it simple - Do not buy Captain Sim products for Prepar3d or any add-ons unless it is designed for Prepar3d version 2.3. 

 

So far I am happy with the 777 they cam out with and somewhat happy with L1011.  The L1011, they have made so that you cannot modify or add the panel, unless you want to lose digital readouts.

 

Here is a promise, if companies like Aerosoft or Majestic or Carenado or even Quality Wings and come up with there own 727/747/L1011/767/DC10 I will have my wallet out so fast it would make a politician blsuh.  Notice I did not say Airbus, they already all over it!

 

So again, please do not waste your money on CS non Prepar3D software since you will waste a lot of lost sim time fixing that mistake!

I have CS777 running superbly in P3Dv2.3.

 

The only bug is the speed tape where fonts have to be reduced to a minimum for the magnified portion to read accurately.

 

As my eyes are old I have learned to fly the CS777 ignoring this inaccuracy.

 

Also I am the only person in the flightsimming world who has a degraded ACES.

 

 

You know you would think that I have learned my lesson, but every once in while I have to try and cross that river of crocodiles anyway. I was really happy up until last night, I had installed CS727 onto Prepar3D version 2.3 thinking surely this should work line a champ, and at first it did. I mean it really looks good, everything worked, even the outside lights and sounds are perfect. Then when I went to restart the sim, I got the "could not find the saved file" followed by the dreaded "Cannot find installed aircrarft."



I could go into a rant about how what kind of software company makes a program that you paid for, modify and corrupt your files to the point you will have to do a complete reinstall of P3D? But I won't.



Let me make it simple - Do not buy Captain Sim products for Prepar3d or any add-ons unless it is designed for Prepar3d version 2.3.

 

Let's see, you are installing the CS addon that was made for FSX only, into P3D, and when it doesn't work in it's new version 2.3, which was released  after the addon was developed, you proceed to blame CS for that? I'd look in the mirror first. P3D is not the same as FSX and the more it gets developed with new features over time, the less compatible with FSX will become less and less. The only addon CS currently supports in P3D in the P3D version of the L-1011. Anything else you try to install in P3D is at your own risk. That goes for other FSX developer addons that don't currently support P3D.

Let's see, you are installing the CS addon that was made for FSX only, into P3D, and when it doesn't work in it's new version 2.3, which was released after the addon was developed, you proceed to blame CS for that? I'd look in the mirror first. P3D is not the same as FSX and the more it gets developed with new features over time, the less compatible with FSX will become less and less. The only addon CS currently supports in P3D in the P3D version of the L-1011. Anything else you try to install in P3D is at your own risk. That goes for other FSX developer addons that don't currently support P3D.

 

I always take this website as place were we can help each other and share our experiences, what I did not know is that it is a sniping ground.  So if you are going to admonish my post at least be accurate.

 

1- Wilco - CLS - Feelthere also did not make their products originally to be compatible with P3D, but they are!

2.  I am not blaming CS for not being compatible, what I was reffering to was the their software caused files to go missing, was this by a simple incompatability or by design? 

3. As far as looking into the mirror, I do that each and every day!  I was be self depracating, and trying to save others in the community from making the same mistake.

4. To be accurate, CS has now the the L1011 and the 777, I have been very supportative of their products and their support of P3D, unlike PMDG as of yet.  But, in the same thought, I can also be critical.

 

So other than being Captain Obvious - what was your point, we all basically know that FSX made software may or may not work, and just like in RL when I take off and the the tower states sometimes "at pilots own risk," it is always a pilots own risk!  We spend good money on vapor, since that is all software is, and we would like to try and make things work if we can.  Why do you think the forums are filled with questions and hours of debate or trial on how to get a problem solved? 

 

So if you like sniping at individuals - go for it, but at least be accurate!

2. I am not blaming CS for not being compatible, what I was reffering to was the their software caused files to go missing, was this by a simple incompatability or by design?

 

No you installing it into a sim that it wasn't designed for caused things to go wrong. (if itself actually is what caused your problem, I haven't seen any others reporting this) If it works, fine, but if it doesn't that's on you! You do so at your own risk. You don't know what kind of changes that LM has made to their sim, that could affect compatibility with FSX addons, especially those not certified to run on P3D.

 

Here's one user at least, that got it working in P3D 2.2! So atleast up to that version it could work. So if it doesn't work in 2.3, it's probably more something LM did then CS.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/390252-captainsim-we-develop-products-for-fsx-only/?p=2967640

So do You feel better now?

Update, I installed Just Flights TriStar L-1011 using Migrator and I am a very happy camper!  Visuals and performance is great.  I now can even use my ISG FMS, but if you do not have ISG it has GPS or you can use INS.  Not as switch intensive as CS's version but what it lacks in some switches its makes up in other areas.  It even has the capability to allow you to change up the panel from anolog to tape gauges.  So its a great alternative!