No offence intended whatsoever, but any comparisons between this offering and the Simcheck A300 are absolutely misleading.

thats why i talked about the "feeling" not about the functionality.

Hi all,

 

Well you wait for one and then two come along at the same time!

 

Well I guess it just goes to show that alot of comments on here are subjective and personal. I have been reading through them all deciding whether to buy or not!

 

Half of you say the JF L1011 it's too lite, some say it's fine and some say lets wait for the CaptainSim one! I checked the CaptainSim thread running on Avsim too and their all complaining about CaptainSim not finishing their products properly before release, so it seems nobody is happy!! Some say CaptainSim just announced yesterday to try and steal some of the limelight from JF, maybe they did, but how long will it take for them to complete their's?

 

Some say the JF version is available with INS or GPS, I'm pretty sure that the Tristar only came with INS fitted. If it had an FMC as some of you hoped it would, surely it had been upgraded at some point in it's life. I think the GPS option on the JF model is an opt out for those of you that don't wish to learn how the INS system works and just use the default GPS system to get from A to B. I may be wrong but that's what it seems the JF team have done.

 

I checked the CaptainSim web site and their screen shot's, they do look very impressive, but then all of their aircraft look impressive, purely from a graphical eye candy perspective, the textures do seem more akin to PMDG quality than the JF version which I prefer. However will it fly, at least the JF L1011 is complete and works from what I have read here.

 

Some said CaptainSim have copied JF in making an L1011 but surely the development times are so long that they must have been working on the same aircraft for ages just running parallel to each other. At least they are different versions of the Tristar, the JF version being an L1011-500 shorter body, longer wings and modeled as freighter and passenger versions if you count the RAF versions as freighters with that huge cargo door in the side! The CaptainSim version would appear to be the earlier L1011-1 or maybe a 2 or 200, not sure but it sure isn't a -500 version and appears to be passenger only! So I guess you could have both!

 

So is there anybody out there, that has bought the L1011 and can give an informed unbiased first impressions view of this plane, comparing it with what Just Flight said it would do, which wasn't a  system wide complex PMDG quality procedural replica in the first place, and what it actually does.

 

Does it do what Just flight said it would do on the box?

 

Interested in any comments.

 

Happy flying.

Are the systems more than or equal to the CLS DC-10? That's enough, imho.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Tristar only came with INS fitted. If it had an FMC as some of you hoped it would, surely it had been upgraded at some point in it's life.

 

In my own research, the plane came with one of the very first FMS units that preceded modern FMCs and was the inspiration for the latter including LNAV, VNAV throttle management and autoland.  Also, the Tristar's autoland is even now still considered by many the Babe Ruth of autoland systems.

 

 

I think the GPS option on the JF model is an opt out for those of you that don't wish to learn how the INS system works and just use the default GPS system to get from A to B.

 

also allows lazy folks like myself to not be forced to read Lat Lon and just to fly around using the good old magenta line  :smile: 

 

Does it do what Just flight said it would do on the box?

 

It does, and it looks good too.  The "lite" comments however, in my opinion, are valid.  It's a fun plane to fly, I like the way it sounds too, I am very happy with it so far.

 

Regards;

 

Fritz

Hi all,

 

Well you wait for one and then two come along at the same time!

 

Well I guess it just goes to show that alot of comments on here are subjective and personal. I have been reading through them all deciding whether to buy or not!

 

Half of you say the JF L1011 it's too lite, some say it's fine and some say lets wait for the CaptainSim one! I checked the CaptainSim thread running on Avsim too and their all complaining about CaptainSim not finishing their products properly before release, so it seems nobody is happy!! Some say CaptainSim just announced yesterday to try and steal some of the limelight from JF, maybe they did, but how long will it take for them to complete their's?

 

Some say the JF version is available with INS or GPS, I'm pretty sure that the Tristar only came with INS fitted. If it had an FMC as some of you hoped it would, surely it had been upgraded at some point in it's life. I think the GPS option on the JF model is an opt out for those of you that don't wish to learn how the INS system works and just use the default GPS system to get from A to B. I may be wrong but that's what it seems the JF team have done.

 

So is there anybody out there, that has bought the L1011 and can give an informed unbiased first impressions view of this plane.

 

Dave, did you expect every view to conveniently express the same opinion of the product?   :smile:

 

Clearly, those happy with the 'lite' approach may well value the product.  People who expected a bit more (such as myself), especially in the systems department, are going to be more critical.

 

What you have in this thread is a number of very different, but equally valid viewpoints on the product. I don't really get your frustration or how you are expecting a single viewpoint that says "yep - it's good, get it"  or    "Nope, it's bad, don't get it".

 

Even for a 'lite' offering, my issue is that it really is a lot lighter than I was expecting.   Default FSX autopilot, and although for example I was not expecting a fully functional engineer's panel, I was very surprised to find that 50-70% of the apparent buttons and switches on the overhead are completely non-functional - hovering the mouse over them reveals they are completely inactive.

 

Those after a nice looking TriStar may enjoy this.    Those wanting more (aka the QualityWings level of 'lite'), would be very disappointed with this one IMHO.

 

What really surprises me, is why JF have not put this product in the "F-lite" range; it is actually 'liter' in terms of systems and functionality than some of the F-lite offerings. 

 

What I would add is that Just Flight are a superb, high quality customer-oriented organisation - and will give a no quibble refund where required.

 

So that's really fair, and just like with Flight 1, (and unlike most other vendors, including the highly esteemed ones), you get to try this aircraft and it's risk-free.

Dave, did you expect every view to conveniently express the same opinion of the product?   :smile:

 

Clearly, those happy with the 'lite' approach may well value the product.  People who expected a bit more (such as myself), especially in the systems department, are going to be more critical.

 

What you have in this thread is a number of very different, but equally valid viewpoints on the product. I don't really get your frustration or how you are expecting a single viewpoint that says "yep - it's good, get it"  or    "Nope, it's bad, don't get it".

 

Even for a 'lite' offering, my issue is that it really is a lot lighter than I was expecting.   Default FSX autopilot, and although for example I was not expecting a fully functional engineer's panel, I was very surprised to find that 50-70% of the apparent buttons and switches on the overhead are completely non-functional - hovering the mouse over them reveals they are completely inactive.

 

Those after a nice looking TriStar may enjoy this.    Those wanting more (aka the QualityWings level of 'lite'), would be very disappointed with this one IMHO.

 

What really surprises me, is why JF have not put this product in the "F-lite" range; it is actually 'liter' in terms of systems and functionality than some of the F-lite offerings. 

 

What I would add is that Just Flight are a superb, high quality customer-oriented organisation - and will give a no quibble refund where required.

 

So that's really fair, and just like with Flight 1, (and unlike most other vendors, including the highly esteemed ones), you get to try this aircraft and it's risk-free.

DC6_Flyer

 

Superbly put, that is why I paid more credence to your write-up. And once more I feel that JF have had a big run-up to a product about to hit the skies, and in the end it has failed to take-off. I'll pass on both this one and the CS one.

Hi all,

 

Thanks for your responses to my comment.

 

Whilst I have no preference to any company making add-ons for FSX so long as they work well and do as it says on the box, I was reading the comments here and it seemed as if there were many that were turning the thread into a general "let's hit on Just Flight for not making something that isn't PMDG quality" kind of comment.

 

I read your comments DC6_Flyer and took what you said as constructive comments that the L1011 is in your opinion a liter aircraft than what JF's other lite brand aircraft are. I wasn't frustrated in any way with your comments, sorry if it appeared that way. I was trying to get a balanced viewpoint as to whether the JF L1011 did what they said it would. Or did alot of people buy it straight off, because it was new, thinking it would be PMDG quality and were then disappointed that it wasn't, but hadn't bothered to read the small print! It happens doesn't it, and then the comments are all biased towards knocking the developer through no fault of their's!

 

Anyway, all these comments make interesting reading, and to be honest I'm still on the fence on this one. I do enjoy the PMDG style in depth system simulations, but then again this is the best Lockheed Tristar that has appeared so far for FSX. Do I forgo the systems this once just to have a Tristar on my sim again or not! 

 

Happy Flying 

 

At least they are different versions of the Tristar, the JF version being an L1011-500 shorter body, longer wings and modeled as freighter and passenger versions if you count the RAF versions as freighters with that huge cargo door in the side! The CaptainSim version would appear to be the earlier L1011-1 or maybe a 2 or 200, not sure but it sure isn't a -500 version and appears to be passenger only!

 

If CS did their research properly it is a 385-1.  The livery shown was only used in 1976, and in 76' Delta only had 385-1's.

 

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As far as JF's TriStar, I am not at all disappointed.  JF has never been a developer for heavy systems, so in that respect I knew what I was buying.  I haven't had much time yet to play around with it, been busy painting (admittedly, the kit could be better).  However, my early thought of it is that it is a notch below the JF/CLS146 (actually quite functional) and a slight bit above, if not on par with the AS787.  As I said earlier before it released, if you are looking for in-depth system this will not be the plane for you.  But, if you want a nicely flying, easy on the frames, with enough system depth to get you there plane, you won't be disappointed, I still maintain that stance after my first impression of it.

 

The Simcheck has a fully custom (100% functional) A/P, and a huge degree of systems depth, compared to this product.

Then I will now delete this from my to-buy-list.

 

Thank you for saving me from €38 wasted.

Just Flight are not claiming this to be anything like a "Simcheck A300-level" product...

 

Also, they do not state it specifically.

Why would they need to state "This is not like the SimCheck A300"? That doesn't make sense.

 

The only thing in their feature-list that is a bit misleading is this:

 

"-Fully functional virtual cockpit with nearly all switches, knobs and levers animated and functional"

 

I would change it to this:

 

"-Fully functional virtual cockpit with nearly all switches, knobs and levers used during the course of a normal flight are animated and functional"

 

Other than that, you get what they claim.

I bought the Tristar. I am spoiled from PMDG products/ Coolsky DC-9 and Qualitywings. I would not touch captain sim Tristar because I am not happy with their products in general. But that is just me. I think the Tristar is a lighter than Qualitywings. If you just want to take of of with a vintage Airliner thats the one. If you want more PMDG depth with a vintage flair than try Coolsky DC9. Overall I do like the JF Tristar and I am glad I bought it.

 

Here is what Iike about the Tristar:

 

Outside Model and graphics

VC is great looking. Textures have a rundown used touch which are realistic. Although quality is still slightly under DC9 and NGX standards but only marginal and I guess subject to personal opinion. Still loking great though.

Great Sounds

Animations

stable and no bugs so far encountered I had only a couple of flights.

Nice flying model.

If you want a quick relaxing flight without depth of PMDG or similiar product tthats the one.

 

 

What I dont like:

Engines seems overpowered. They are like Saturn V rocket motors...straight to the moon. :lol:

The real TriStar had a IAS mode that changed the pitch of the aircraft (at a set thrust), to maintain a speed (eg.. like FL CH mode in a Boeing).      

 

This aircraft has the 'IAS' button, where it should be, but it is a simple autothrottle hold, as per the default FSX airliners.

 

Question: you appear more adept at operating the aircraft then I, would you be able to report on non autopilot climb?  i.e. set power to climb then trim aircraft to hold certain speed and let v/s take care of itself.   I admit to being a slave to automation so my skills in performing this procedure are inept is why I am interested in an accomplished pilot's report.

 

 

Engines seems overpowered.

 

Earlier there was a similar comment as to this apparent phenomenon  I and at least one other person argued that the plane historically had very powerful engines and this behavior is actually, accurate.

 

Regards;

 

Fritz

 

I purchased the JustFlight 1011 and it seems to look, sound and fly very good.  I only got to look at it for a few minutes before having to get to work.

I don't really see where this is a "lite" version, since it has a fully functional INS plus all the capability of flying with radio navigation.

I will also buy the Captain Sim version.  I'm sure it will be very good, since it is more in line with the older aircraft that he is best at building.

Hi FSXman.  Question.  Have you ever seen an FSX addon aircraft that you did not like?  I don't mean any disrespect it just seems like you love everything even the CS products that are unflyable as they are supposed to emulate a flight simulation not a video game.    

 

Hi FSXman. Question. Have you ever seen an FSX addon aircraft that you did not like? I don't mean any disrespect it just seems like you love everything even the CS products that are unflyable as they are supposed to emulate a flight simulation not a video game.

 

To be fair none of CS products are unflyable, 777 is severely lacking things but other than that they are pretty okay at least if you do most of your landings manually and don't use VNAV too much. I don't think you really require anything like PMDG to simulate flying, there's something between "video game" and "hardcore realism".