The way i see it if you can taje an old idea and improve on it you are doing well, isnt that how innovation works?

 

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What are they improving??? If there is improvement we won't know it until the product is in full service like what happened with the 787. So far it's not impressive.

My God!....... for a second I thought the PMDG 777 was out (had a mini heart attack). I was starting to sweat while the page was loading only to realise that it was just a bus. Phew!

i call this micro innovation, it's almost the same

why all planes are looking the same ?? why aren't they trying to make different things like the concorde

Yeah right, this bird looks like those early Russian test planes when they were trying to perfect the process. The A320 series were sharp looking aircraft but this looks pretty bad visually not near on the same level as the 787. Aside from looks things aren't going to change like your suggesting. What Boeing needs to do is bring things back in house so they can oversee what's going on. The round the world building model isn't working. Once the 787 is back the 350 will be just like the 340, irrelevant in the larger scheme of things... It's not an attractive design again unlike the A320/330 series (the new Boeing like winglets on the new A320 series is another crappy style choice).

 

Not to start a Boeing vs Airbus fight but the design choices coming from Airbus are far from revolutionary and come off as copy cating. An example of style, practicality, and innovation is the 737MAX's winglets. Airbus in contrast disposed of their unique design and chose Boeing's older winglet model. I tilt my hat to the A380 though but nothing new like that is on the horizon for Airbus just old ideas...

 

Have you not seen those winglet's on the A350, I'm melting in awe just looking at them, making me all gooey on the inside! ^_^

 

But honestly, you know planes are built to make money not look nice right, I mean by that definition the A380-800 would be one of the worst aircraft ever built, it's a flying whale for goodness sake.

 

The sharklets save money on longer sectors, therefore they are going to sell. The A350 is a very efficient plane, and caters to a different market to the 787, it has a higher capacity. Going on the trend we've seen in recent years, I'd in fact say that the current version of the 787, the -8, will go obsolete pretty soon leaving only the -9 on the market, perhaps with a stretched -10 to rival the A350-1000. The reason that planes don't look like the concorde or don't follow particularly new designs looks wise is because manufacturers have found the ideal shape for an airline in their current role. They don't need to go at mach 2, then need to carry 3-400 people and cargo at a reasonable pace over long distances, and that's what we're seeing now in all the new jets being produced.

 

Regards,

Ró.

i call this micro innovation, it's almost the same

why all planes are looking the same ?? why aren't they trying to make different things like the concorde

 

The Airbus A350 is like the Apple Iphone 5. Doesn't look too different from their other products..... Just have a look at the Iphone 4, 4S and 5 and you'll know what I mean.

I won't make a comparison of this aircraft to the 787 when it hasn't flown yet. What I see of it so far I really like as well. I am in agreement with Ró on this one and aircraft's are built to make money.

 

 

The only comparison to this aircraft and the 787 is neither are carrying passengers at the moment. We need years to go past for each of these programs to prove themselves in their own right. One has nothing to do with the other in my POV.

Looks ugly,

 

787 for me

Have you not seen those winglet's on the A350, I'm melting in awe just looking at them, making me all gooey on the inside! ^_^

 

But honestly, you know planes are built to make money not look nice right, I mean by that definition the A380-800 would be one of the worst aircraft ever built, it's a flying whale for goodness sake.

 

The sharklets save money on longer sectors, therefore they are going to sell. The A350 is a very efficient plane, and caters to a different market to the 787, it has a higher capacity. Going on the trend we've seen in recent years, I'd in fact say that the current version of the 787, the -8, will go obsolete pretty soon leaving only the -9 on the market, perhaps with a stretched -10 to rival the A350-1000. The reason that planes don't look like the concorde or don't follow particularly new designs looks wise is because manufacturers have found the ideal shape for an airline in their current role. They don't need to go at mach 2, then need to carry 3-400 people and cargo at a reasonable pace over long distances, and that's what we're seeing now in all the new jets being produced.

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Good explanation but as I said above Airbus had a little style with their current models which doesn't hurt in the long run.

 

Speaking of the A380 I actually like how it looks. I always felt Airbus should have put an observation deck right over the cockpit so passengers on the upper deck have a unique perspective they wouldn't normally get on other aircraft but overall the big bird doesn't look bad especially in flight.

Good explanation but as I said above Airbus had a little style and it doesn't hurt in the long run.

 

Speaking of the A380 I actually like how it looks. I always felt Airbus should have put an observation deck right over the cockpit so passengers on the upper deck have a unique perspective they wouldn't normally get on other aircraft but overall the big bird doesn't look bad especially in flight.

But style doesn't sell aircraft, economics do. That'd be a point against an observation deck, firstly, there's no space above or below the flight deck, but if there were, glass used in aircraft is extremely expensive, the windows on the flight deck cost over €100,000 each to replace, and are also much heavier than aluminium, meaning the aircraft would weigh more and be much less efficient. Efficiency is king when it comes to the design of new aircraft. Novelty items don't bring in the as much money as they cost to add, that's why Emirates is considering removing the shower from the first class cabin on their A380's, the added fuel burn just isn't being offset by the premium they can charge for using it.

 

With regards the A380's looks, I think it has a very very nice wing, but it stops there, the body of the -800 is just too short compared to its height, hopefully the -900 will solve that and be a more proportionate aircraft, but for now it's just a flying hippo.

 

Regards,

Ró.

At least I wasn't the only one who thought the T7 was out! But that is a good looking aircraft. Not gonna get very far right now though without engines! :rolleyes:

Not gonna get very far right now though without engines! :rolleyes:

She's due for painting in a week or two, after which engines will be attached, RTO tests, and then airborne, first flight to happen before the end of March if I'm thinking straight. :Applause: :Shocked: :dance: :yahoo:

 

Can't wait to get my hands on her!

 

Regards,

Ró.

Some more pics for you guys, those winglets are something else! :im Not Worthy: :yahoo: :dance: :Love:

 

 

Regards,

Ró.

Yeah right, this bird looks like those early Russian test planes when they were trying to perfect the process. The A320 series were sharp looking aircraft but this looks pretty bad visually not near on the same level as the 787. Aside from looks things aren't going to change like your suggesting. What Boeing needs to do is bring things back in house so they can oversee what's going on. The round the world building model isn't working. Once the 787 is back the 350 will be just like the 340, irrelevant in the larger scheme of things... It's not an attractive design again unlike the A320/330 series (the new Boeing like winglets on the new A320 series is another crappy style choice).

 

Not to start a Boeing vs Airbus fight but the design choices coming from Airbus are far from revolutionary and come off as copy cating. An example of style, practicality, and innovation is the 737MAX's winglets. Airbus in contrast disposed of their unique design and chose Boeing's older winglet model. I tilt my hat to the A380 though but nothing new like that is on the horizon for Airbus just old ideas...

 

Airlines don't buy planes primarily on looks. They buy them deciding things such as fuel economy, how many passengers they can hold, cargo capacity, range, reliability, etc.

Airlines don't buy planes primarily on looks. They buy them deciding things such as fuel economy, how many passengers they can hold, cargo capacity, range, reliability, etc.

Exactly, if that planes were bought on looks and for giving passengers a good sight seeing tour we'd still be flying around in aircraft like this: :wink:

 

Regards,

Ró.

The 350 flight-deck is in a mess now But just have a look at those HUGE screens! :Applause: :Silly: :Shocked: