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Would like to ask a simple question from PMDG

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Hello, PMDG team,

 

I've a simple question.  If you'd please answer it, I'd be appreciative.  It's a simple yes or know answer.  No, I don't want to know when it releases; when it's done, it will be released.

 

McPhat...  Their textures really woke up the 737NGX, the 747-400, and the MD-11.  For those that don't know, they are more than a simple repaint.  While PMDG does a great job with the technical portion of the aircraft subject (I would say impeccable, but there's always a naysayer in the crowd), the liveries and details are flat.  I'm not talking about the VC, just the exterior of the airframe.  VC is superb. 

 

I have no interest in getting into the politics of anything that "went down" re: the NGX repaints between McPhat and PMDG.  Not that I don't care, it's just none of my business.  They are superb, I will say that.

 

My question is, "Are you guys going to sit down, sort it out, and shake hands, or what?"  I'd like to see what PMDG and McPhat could work out re: the 777; I think it would be visually above par.  I think that the two of you making peace would benefit both companies and the user community.  Personally, I'll bet that I could do a random sampling of PMDG users and statistically prove to PMDG that the use of McPhat skins would be desirable with a 95% confidence level. 

 

So there's my question.  A simple one to answer.  Otherwise, I need to do my own repaints, which I can do, but I make jets look grungy, just like they really do.

 

Disclaimer:  This thread represents my own opinion and nothing else nor no other person's opinion.  Your mileage may vary.

 

Cheers.

 

Kev

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I kid you not I was just thinking about this less than 3 minutes ago. You mention a random sampling? I put in my vote for yes: I want to see McPhat 777 paints.

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You can put me down for an I don't care vote. Personally, I find McPhat liveries to be exaggerated. The wear is cool, but the bump mapping is overdone.

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I think users should have the option of using McPhat repaints. The repaints may be exaggerated, but so are payware airports with unrealistic, high-contrast colors—sometimes these exaggerated features look more aesthetically appealing than their "realistic" counterparts, due to FSX graphics/lighting limitations. The best example: FlightSoft Hong Kong versus FlyTampa Hong Kong.

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Right, but the issue at hand is the aircraft. The airports don't really have reprints to choose from anyway. Just different developers, as you mentioned.

 

I don't think anyone is trying to remove the option to choose to use other liveries.

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Yes to mcphat for me.

 

 

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Mcphat is amazing, and would love the two companies to get along. It is a small group us flightsimmers, and it is sad to see two great companies not get along, at the cost of the rest of the community. 

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I actually really like the painters PMDG use... Going with Kyle on this one. 

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Just don't care. Can't see myself buying repaints.

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Just don't care. Can't see myself buying repaints.

 

 

Same here, I'll fly the house colors if its the only freeware option. 

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I wouldn't buy Mcphat repaints. I have seen them in use and found them the most ugly textures I have seen on the 747 and MD-11.  They look like the aircraft have been sitting in the sun so all the paint fades away, then covered in a shiny, glossy oil.  Not realistic at all.  and the resolution didn't even seem better than the default textures, which on the NGX and 777 are such a high resolution you can read everything.  Just have a look at Avsim, Hundreds of NGX liveries all in better resolution than any other of my add-ons. I expect the 777 to be the same. No need to pay $20 for a pack of 5 liveries, some of which you might use only a handful of times.

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I'll let the very talented group of freeware re-painters do their magic and upload their amazing generously free repaints to the avsim.com library. They all do amazing work, and I am very grateful that they do it all for free! Some even appear to do requests! Even fictional ones! I'm sure we're going to see a bunch of B777-200LR's flying around in the liveries of airlines that have never seen a B777-200LR in their real life fleets just months after the release.

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That's my opinion too, i prefer Chris Hicks liveries for example over McPhat.

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I have great faith that PMDG will provide a stunning sim.

 

I don't care about liveries because I can't see them from the cockpit.

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I'll fly the house colors if its the only freeware option

 

Although in the past some people have joked about the PMDG house livery, I think its pretty stlylish and actually really like it! Probably will be flying it around to do all the testing/learning etc. then choose a livery for the 1st "revenue" flight.

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With Kyle, Luke and Richard on this one. I wouldn't buy a repaint anyway but who really cares? Only times I look at the airplane from the outside is when I'm in cruise or before a flight when I load up to check that my actual position corresponds to the intended gate/parking spot. Then I really couldn't give a toss about shiny rivets, can't really see them from the cockpit.

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I have great faith that PMDG will provide a stunning sim.

 

I don't care about liveries because I can't see them from the cockpit.

With Kyle, Luke and Richard on this one. I wouldn't buy a repaint anyway but who really cares? Only times I look at the airplane from the outside is when I'm in cruise or before a flight when I load up to check that my actual position corresponds to the intended gate/parking spot. Then I really couldn't give a toss about shiny rivets, can't really see them from the cockpit.

I agree, I do not need for payware liveries because I fly from the cockpit and seldom if never look at the plane from outside. And there is nobody else to look at the plane either even on network (the rendering being network one).

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Wouldn't pay for a repaint. PMDG puts out nice ones but you'll notice they can't cover every airline. That leads other people who have a talent to put them on the AVSIM library ( among other places) for free. It only has to look nice. I spend the overwhelming majority of time in the cockpit.

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I don't exactly see myself paying for liveries, when the liveries in question look like they've been rinsed with bleech, then parked outside in the blistering sun for 5 years, then bleeched again...

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I wouldn't buy a repaint anyway but who really cares? Only times I look at the airplane from the outside is when I'm in cruise or before a flight when I load up to check that my actual position corresponds to the intended gate/parking spot. Then I really couldn't give a toss about shiny rivets, can't really see them from the cockpit.

Had that same opinion until I got some for the Wilco EMB series. Will never not buy the liveries when they are available. They are stunning repaints, that are really missed on most PMDG planes.

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I honestly believe that anyone who hasn't spent any appreciable amount of time around an actual, physical aircraft, on the outside, would love the McPhat liveries.  Those who have, and have worked alongside aircraft (more specifically, have touched them) would know that the McPhat hand is a little heavy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I own some of their work for the Wilco EMB145, but that's because the default paints were weak at best, and some of the liveries I wanted were only available from McPhat.

 

In any case, the weathering is nice, but the bump mapping is insane.  Planes have been smooth since the Howard Hughes days.  Bumps induce drag.  Heck, even 30 year old GA planes use countersunk screws to kill as much drag as possible, and they fly at less than half of the speed.  The McPhat guys have some great talent, but an eye for realism seems to be lost on them.

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scandinavian13, on 15 Jul 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

 

I honestly believe that anyone who hasn't spent any appreciable amount of time around an actual, physical aircraft, on the outside, would love the McPhat liveries. Those who have, and have worked alongside aircraft (more specifically, have touched them) would know that the McPhat hand is a little heavy.

Bingo - I've spent a lot of time now up close around the real things (in no small part due to having this job) and the skin of a real aircraft just doesn't look like those liveries. Rivets are meant to *not* be all raised up and exaggerated like they depict. That would cause a ton of drag if they actually looked like that. The other issue I've always had with them is the "ice" or "plastic wrap" type reflective look - again, real airplanes generally don't have that look to them. You might be able to get something sort of like it it if you have the sun at just the right angle on a very new/clean airplane, but in general anything I've been up close to or ridden on seemed much more matte or flat looking from the majority of viewing angles.

 

Regardless though, the problems between our companies are not about aesthetics. This is between them and RSR so I'm not going to comment further on the actual issues.

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