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737 NGX VS 77L. Which is better?

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Hi, 

i would like to know which of this aircraft add-on is better, because i am analyzing to buy te 77L, but i deeply love the NGX, and i do not want to stop flying it. 

thanks,

tatin 98

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Well I find the T7 is more comfortable in business class, also you get USB sockets in the economy class seating..........

 

Neither addon is better then the other, they are both top quality PMDG aircraft.

 

You only have to ask yourself 'Do I want to learn how to operate the 777?' Btw, purchasing the 777 doesn't mean you have to delete the NGX ;)

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Hi, 

i would like to know which of this aircraft add-on is better, because i am analyzing to buy te 77L, but i deeply love the NGX, and i do not want to stop flying it. 

thanks,

tatin 98

Both are good. Which one is better depends on your personal taste. At the moment I prefer the ngx, however it has limited flight range. The planes look similar, but they provide different experiences when flying. The 777 is very automated compared to the 737.   

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I dunno...which one is better in real life?

If you mean coding wise, they're on the same level of quality. Choose what you prefer.

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Both have their pros and cons,

 

I think I will be in a different mind set after the SP1 200/300er expansions. But at the moment, NGX is more immersive for me 

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One is heavy, one is medium.

One is long range, one is short/medium haul.

One is heavily automated, one is more manual.

One displays synoptics, the other one doesn't.

One is more expensive than the other.

 

I like the heavy, long range, more automated, more expensive one more!   :P 

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the 777 is far more accurate in its dimensions in the vc  than the ngx. There are some proportional issues with the ngx in the front windscreen area .far to high. If you ever get to sit in a real one the difference is strikingly noticeable how narrow in height the windows are. the 777 has got this completely accurate.

 

 

 

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kav

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the 777 is far more accurate in its dimensions in the vc  than the ngx. There are some proportional issues with the ngx in the front windscreen area .far to high. If you ever get to sit in a real one the difference is strikingly noticeable how narrow in height the windows are. the 777 has got this completely accurate.

 

 

 

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kav

Yep true and Tabs has already stated that this is going to be fixed (or planned to be fixed, can't remember exactly..).

 

OT: Short or long haul? :)

Less  or a lot of automation?

Personally, the NGX has to be the winner. But I cannot help myself frequently grabbing the T7 and spooling up those big suckers of engines to TO power B)

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After countless hours in the NGX I have to say I prefer the 777, why?

The level of automation makes it just feel right to fly, the NGX feels very much like you need fscrew2.

The FBW I love, I love flying it by hand, the NGX is more agile because it's so much smaller, the 777 you have to think ahead and get it right. But at the same time it feels more solid if that's the right word.

Also it's lighter on fps.

No going back, well I did the other day and thought no, the 777 is where it's at for me. Look forward to the 747v2 in a year or so time until then 777 every time.

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Right after initial release, I'd say my sim time was about 80% dedicated to the 777. Now, I'm guessing it's about 50%. I still fly the NGX quite a lot, especially on shorter sectors.

Although, it is fun to get the 777 on a short sector, near MZFW, to end up on a rather short runway.

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Well, when NGX was released I heard folks say they could no longer bring themselves to fly the 747 or MD-11. All they wanted to fly was the NGX. I had many hours in the NGX,  but still migrated back to the MD-11 and 747. 

Since the 777 arrived, I have flown it exclusively. I now feel that I can fly nothing else. It is mesmerizing. Now I guess I know how the folks felt about the NGX. 

A caveat is that I fly the 777F on long hauls. Just a freight dog at heart I guess.

 

So now, I am wondering if the 747V2 will have the same affect on me when it is released. I have to admit that I prefer the -8 variant. We will See

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the 777 is far more accurate in its dimensions in the vc  than the ngx. There are some proportional issues with the ngx in the front windscreen area .far to high. If you ever get to sit in a real one the difference is strikingly noticeable how narrow in height the windows are. the 777 has got this completely accurate.

 

 

 

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kav

 

It's being sorted for Sp2 mate

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One is heavy, one is medium.

One is long range, one is short/medium haul.

One is heavily automated, one is more manual.

One displays synoptics, the other one doesn't.

One is more expensive than the other.

 

I like the heavy, long range, more automated, more expensive one more!   :P 

One is brown, one is grey

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The 737NGX is special.

 

The 777 is a fantastic plane, but the 737 feels more immersive imo.

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I love them both. Two different aircraft, two different ways to do things. Two examples of excellent value for money in my opinion.  Sell the kids and buy them both is my advice ;-)

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I love them both. Two different aircraft, two different ways to do things. Two examples of excellent value for money in my opinion.  Sell the kids and buy them both is my advice ;-)

Great planes, but I don't think I would go as far as saying "excellent value for money". The 777 in particular is quite pricey and may be worth it to some (me included), but I would never consider it an excellent value at the current price. 

 

Chris H

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I was going to get the T7 but the biggest complaint I heard about it from people who went to it is... it's...  too automated.  XD   Once you get it going it doesn't need you anymore.  It's l ike SkyNet!   The NGX has a higher workload and to me that is more enjoyable.     I was still thinking about getting it for my FedEX VA tryouts but...  I think I am going to get with the new 747 when it releases.   The NGX is just... epic.

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Just my 2c worth. There is no way that the b777 is lighter on fps than the NGX however it runs smooth. I would point out that having gone through the documentation several times OOM issues are still a serious problem for many including myself.

What point is the dazzling flight deck if you cant use it in your high end scenery. That has been the diss appointing thing for me.

The B777 still has some bugs to iron out but hopefully this will be addressed in SP1 or I won't be getting the 300 ER.

Regards

Tim Carter

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Now, what kind of question is this? (-;

 

Although admittedly I have had times where I've missed flying into really small, remote airfields. Flying from one big international airport to the other can seem somewhat routine - but a big part of me loves it. I adore long haul in the real world and love it in the simulator just as much. I get a thrill about being ETOPS and travelling through so many time zones and weather systems. Crossing the Atlantic on NAT's is probably my favourite type of routing to do. The only other aircraft I've flown in FSX since June was a Piper Malibu.

 

Whenever I fly the 777 it is like the first time I flew it. Just never gets an ounce old for me! Cannot wait to get my hands on the 300ER/200ER when those times come too. Enjoying the freighter massively also - have some cool charters planned to places like Afghanistan soon.

 

Just ask yourself; do you like the 777? Are you interested in learning it? Are you interested in joining the long haul life? Are you up for a new challenge? If not - stick with the NGX. The 777 isn't going anywhere... Otherwise I'll cry LOL.

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As has been mentioned, the 777 is a different bird from the 737, but both are beautiful planes to fly and each have their own idiosyncrasies and challenges....The 777 requires you to think 'ahead' of the aircraft, sort of like driving a car...its always good to think beyond the immediate action of driving. The 737 has the ability to have more descent control and is great for shorter hops but comes up shorter in terms of "technologies" (i.e. the electronic checklists in the B777 and the extra steps required to start an engine in a 737 than the 777).
 

Both planes have been a joy to fly in terms of FPS (and I have a $20 graphics card in my big box computer with only minimal FPS drops) and it really just comes down to what do you want to do? Several short hops and maybe a long hop or two or consistently longer flights in the 777. Cant go wrong with either one!

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Just my 2c worth. There is no way that the b777 is lighter on fps than the NGX however it runs smooth. I would point out that having gone through the documentation several times OOM issues are still a serious problem for many including myself.

What point is the dazzling flight deck if you cant use it in your high end scenery. That has been the diss appointing thing for me.

The B777 still has some bugs to iron out but hopefully this will be addressed in SP1 or I won't be getting the 300 ER.

Regards

Tim Carter

The OOM issue is annoying and is more noticeable with long haul flights than shorter hops with 737. The 777 uses a bit more vas than the 737 and that difference will sometimes will push you over the line. If your flying from one payware airport to another you may run into OOM issues depending on the airport. Flytampa TNCM for example does not use as much vas as some other payware airports, but fsdt cyvr even on medium settings could be too much if your coming from another payware airport (especially if your coming in during bad weather). The saving the flight right before TOD and reloading it works well to clean out the vas in a pinch (not ideal I know but it works). I usually just activate the airports I am flying from and to and leave the other airports disabled. Also, if I am going to fly from a payware airport to another one I will takeoff from the higher vas payware airport and fly to the lower vas airport, which has helped for me. I also stay in the cockpit now as I find when I switch to external views the vas jumps up and then when I go back into the cockpit it drops back down, but it does not return to the same level it was at before I switched to external view. The basic point is that there are ways around the vas issue while still being able to run fsx at decent graphic levels.

 

One of the neat things I like about the 777 is while I am cruise I tend to have my camera focused on the gauges and not looking out the window. I can tell by the way the light reflects in the cockpit when the sun is setting without even looking out the window.

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I own both but I prefer the 737NGX for every 4 -5 NGX flights I do id do 1 777 flight just my preferance

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I know people say the 777 is too automated but if you fly it realistically the way it is in the real world there is plenty to do.  even on a long haul.

 

 waypoint fuel check comparison noting used vs planned at each waypoint.

waypoint time check planned eta at each waypoint vs actual

etops awareness on etops flights having relevant alternate airport charts and approach plates ready and familiarised .including entering the relevant etops alternate in to the fmc alt page and selecting it. same for each adequate airport along route.

setting up vor/vor bearing/gps cross checks and situational awareness including political map awareness.

setting up offsets

setting up fix rings for etops and for adequate airports continually throughout the route.

monitoring winds aloft and comparing them to planned wind forecasts at each waypoint.

monitoring arrival time in fmc and potentially reducing or increasing cruise mach appropriately if fuel and contingency allows.

monitoring atc and tcas

 

 

there is actually a fair bit to do in the cruise because each waypoint requires some monitoring and work as above.so for one pilot there is enough to do.

 

Oh and when there is a break in activity I will have a little look out of the windows at the scenery if over a land mass and also I never get tired of gliding around the beautifully modelled and textured vc.it really is top notch in all respects ,dimensional accuracy and beautifully crisp texturing and I never felt that way about the ngx  nice as it is its completely ruined for me by the glaring proportional inaccuracy of the huge front windscreens. Completely ruins the realism for me unfortunately despite the lovely detailing and textures. I have spent many hours in the flightdecks of both in the real world and I can say the the 777 really captures the true feel .the ngx does not for the reasons I have mentioned.

 

 

 

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kav 

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Since it's two years younger, the T7 has newer features compatred to the NGX, and PMDG will eventually update the NGX with another service pack.

 

I've settled into a rotation where I fly a short or medium route on the NGX one day, and a medium or long haul with the T7 the next day.  I'm looking forward to the -300ER for more real world routes, especially since I can't get into any fictional liveries or routes.

 

I'm also using my Surface tablet as a virtual EFB containing the ORHs, FCOMs, PFPX plans, Navigraph Cloud Charts, and TOPCAT.

 

I really love both planes, and I'm very grateful to PMDG for bringing us an unmatched level or realism and outstanding quality.

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