3. Another 3rd party company comes in from no where and blows away FSX, P3D, and X-Plane all in 1 sweep

 

Outerra can do that with some support from the community.

Outerra can do that with some support from the community.

 

I have seen Outerra, looks very impressive, however from what I have also heard is that they have little desire to go into flight simulation.

I have seen Outerra, looks very impressive, however from what I have also heard is that they have little desire to go into flight simulation.

 

Actually no, they're focusing their development on flight simulation, and plan to begin a Kickstarter campaign soon.

 

 

They did not buy any exclusive rights to any other code that microsoft own

Do you know that for a fact?

If that was the case, then I would expect to see MS hauling LM into court for allowing sale of P3D to all comers.

Doubtful if LM would spend a good chunk of money to upgrade ESP if they thought that MS could subsequently reenter the flight simulator market.

Would you buy a franchise without a contract that prevents another franchisee within  your market area? Lockheed's market area is world wide!

january

Do you know that for a fact?

If that was the case, then I would expect to see MS hauling LM into court for allowing sale of P3D to all comers.

Doubtful if LM would spend a good chunk of money to upgrade ESP if they thought that MS could subsequently reenter the flight simulator market.

Would you buy a franchise without a contract that prevents another franchisee within  your market area? Lockheed's market area is world wide!

january

 

 

LM bought ESP years ago.  If that purchase meant MS was out of flight simulation we wouldn't have had the W8/XBOX Store test run of MS Flight put on the market.  MS could jump back in anytime they choose and produce a title right along side P3D.

 

 

If you can't see from the latest advancements in this 'currently supported' incarnation of FS nothing will convince you.  We don't need years to see something obvious today.  You can see P3D v2.2 looking better than FSX right now.  If your waiting on all your current FSX add-ons to be fully compatible you might as well get out of the hobby right now.  Even if Bill brought FS back full backwards compatibility wouldn't be the case yet P3D has to rise to this unattainable goal for you to accept it.  Talk about a stacked deck at your expense.  This is the example I've talked about where people will grab anything to stay with FSX and it has nothing to do with economics.  This is not the same as FS9 hold outs because the high cost of admission of FSX both in time and money put many off.

 

See there you are again telling me what sim I should be using otherwise I "might as well get out of the hobby right now"

 

The hypocrisy, especially given your historical stance of FS9 versus FSX is staggering. Honestly there's not much point continuing this discussion. Please enjoy your hobby just as I shall be enjoying mine.

 

 

MS could jump back in anytime they choose and produce a title right along side P3D.

 

Which raises the question as to why MS suddenly jumped back out of FLIGHT - which seemed to be gaining in popularity. 

Perhaps the lawyers from both sides had a friendly chat over lunch at their club.

january

See there you are again telling me what sim I should be using otherwise I "might as well get out of the hobby right now"

 

The hypocrisy, especially given your historical stance of FS9 versus FSX is staggering. Honestly there's not much point continuing this discussion. Please enjoy your hobby just as I shall be enjoying mine.

 

 

I'm not telling you what sim to use.  You have allot of negative opinions on a product you went out and purchased yourself.  That's all well and good but take those issues away and you still come up with a reason not to like P3D.  As I said before FS9 had far less tweaking to do versus what I would have to do with FSX.  That's my problem outside of the fact it has crappy code and never fully embraced future hardware it was said to embrace.  By contrast you OOM issues should be gone unless your using add-ons the developer hasn't fully converted over.  Now that OOM's and performance aren't an issue where do you stand with P3D?  That's all I'm addressing.  Use what sim you like I was just curious that if LM addressed the issues some of you claim to have would you reconsider your opinion.  The jury is still out as you have not loaded up 2.2 yet.  Use FSX until 2029 if you like I'm just curious has 2.2 address your issues so you no longer deflect others with mis-information about the product.

Dillon,

I know you're not telling people what sim they should use, but have you gone back and re-read your previous posts regarding P3D vs FSX?  Not just what's on this thread.  They certainly read differently.

 

It's very obvious everytime someone says they're sticking with FSX, you seem to get a little agitated.  You always go on about how P3D is getting support and FSX is a "dead" platform.  Well, tell that to all the developers keeping FSX alive.

What more support do we need from Microsoft for FSX other than third party add ons?  We already have the excellent DX10 Fixer from Steve.  Don't forget, not everyone get OOM or CTD's in FSX.  I never get them on my 4 year old machine.

 

You're always telling people how FSX takes too much time because you have to do so many tweaks...  I, along with many other members have already told you that FSX runs just fine for us WITHOUT tweaks.  The only thing one really needs to add to the cfg is the HIGHMEMFIX.  That's it!  Anymore tweaks should be to optimize visuals (like increasing LOD radius, texture size) and squeeze out any last bit of frames our systems are capable of.

On a fresh install, I edit 4 lines in my FS9 cfg.  In FSX, I just add one.   

 

I know you want P3D to succeed and do great, but you're being very pushy in this matter.  So what if EngineRoom wants to wait another year to see where P3D is at?  He can do whatever he wants.  Also, if he's not happy with P3D, that's fine.  He has the right to his own opinion for not liking something the same way you hate FSX while many others are enjoying it.

 

It's the "pushy" nature of your posts that leave a bitter taste for many members here.  You always have to go out to prove to others how much better P3D is compared to FSX.  Don't forget, there are a lot of people who are happy with FSX, including me, and don't feel the need to get P3D.   

 

I just hope you look at this from a different perspective.  We all know about the heated arguments you've gotten into with FS9 vs FSX threads in the past.  You got very angry at people telling you that they find FSX to be better than FS9 and you pointed out your reasons for sticking with FS9.  You even went as far as calling FSX crap on several occasions. 

Don't you see?  Now that P3D is out, you've become the very thing you used to hate.

Today FSX under DX10 is a really nice platform, fast, stable, with a mountain of addons.

I would not blame anyone for staying with it for another year.

But we all really need to support Lockheed Martins efforts to bring us the Sim that should have been FS11.

If we don't then we may find that Xplane is the only viable Sim left in a few years.

Prepar3D v2.2 is a step forward even now, but it is where LM is taking the code that is going to be really interesting.

I would say that 2.2 is pretty much what we could have expected of FS11 had MS had not killed off the franchise, a move to a more recent DX version and some advancements to the graphics such as Autogen not popping in and the addition of cloud shadows, along with a general clean up of the code resulting in much reduced VAS usage.

 

Get on board because we as MS flight simulator users have been thrown a lifeline here.

The Academic version is the price of a decent addon or two, but buying into it now might just be the diffference between having a Simulator to use in years to come or not.

Personally, My experience of it is more akin  to what I would have expected form FS15 or 16.

Fair enough Dillon, let me reiterate because either your reading comprehension skills aren't up to scratch or you are continuing to push the same tired old agenda you have been for the last seven years - albeit from a different angle.

 

I never said I did not like P3D2.

 

I said that I am thus far slightly less than impressed with what P3D2 brings to the table given we are now well over seven years down the line from FSX. I said that it is still very early days yet for P3D2 and time will tell if it lives up to expectations that many have attached to it. Right now I certainly don't think it lives up to the hype nor the Messianic qualities that have been attributed to it in the run up to its release last November.

 

In my personal opinion the advances and improvements made in P3D2 right now (and yes, I include 2.2) whilst welcome are not commensurate with the over seven years that have lapsed between the release of FSX and P3D2. Further, I believe they are far outweighed by the currently very mature FSX which has a wealth of high quality content available, the majority of which does not operate in P3D2 without issues. I am not prepared to abandon my heavily invested FSX in order to fly a P3D2 which offers moderately improved visuals and hardware utilisation, but nowhere hear the choice of third party content available. Hence my stated position of sitting on the P3D2 fence until things become clearer and we can see exactly how this platform is going to develop.

 

I quite honestly would have thought given your status as the champion of all things FS9 in the last seven years, given your vehement defence of that simulator in the face of the majority of the community and developers moving on to your much maligned FSX - a simulator which many felt (and it was indeed ultimately proven) was more advanced and offered greater possibilities than FS9, that you Dillon - of all people - would have just a little empathy for my position. It's increasingly evident that your intense antipathy for FSX is now playing out as a kind of P3D2 evangelism.

 

If you wish to continue spinning my words in order to continue pushing the same extremely tired anti-FSX agenda you have been espousing here for years or continue to lead the P3D2 Hallelujah chorus line then that is of course your prerogative. In the meantime I will continue to enjoy my mature and content rich FSX, whilst keeping an eye on how P3D2 develops and what it has to offer. If the time comes when I feel P3D2 warrants a greater investment of both my time and money then I will embrace it. Until then I certainly won't be losing any sleep over what you or anybody else thinks about my continued use of FSX.

 

 

In my personal opinion the advances and improvements made in P3D2 right now (and yes, I include 2.2

 

Just a couple of observations here:

1: You obviously have not used 2.2, if you had then you would be very happy at the advances made, it is a very large step from FSX.

2: you do not need to abandon FSX, Prepar3D can live along side your FSX very nicely while you transition to P3D and enjoy the ride LM are taking us on. no reason to exclude yourself from the fun.

$59.95 to help ensure that your platform of choice has a future. otherwise it is an Xplane future and no mistake.

But we all really need to support Lockheed Martins efforts to bring us the Sim that should have been FS11.

 

 

buying into it now might just be the diffference between having a Simulator to use in years to come or not.

 

I purchased P3D2 on release day last year, and after two weeks was suitably unimpressed to return it for a refund. On the strength of Rob Ainscough's posts about his beta testing of 2.2 I purchased P3D2 again last week.

 

Whilst I agree with the spirit of your sentiment I think you are missing a very fundamental point. Please look at the kind of company Lockheed Martin is - the customers they have and the products and services they sell. They have stated quite categorically they are not in the entertainment software business. As much as some might want to think otherwise they do not make their business decisions based on the sales figures for $200 or $60 desktop flight sim software, and they certainly don't base their business decisions on what people write on Avsim, Flightsim, Sim Out House, or any other online flight sim hobbyist site you care to mention.

 

That's the fundamental difference with P3D2. Unlike all the previous incarnations of MSFS, X-Plane, Pro Pilot, Flight Unlimited, Fly! or whatever, with P3D2 we have a platform that does not have the likes of you or I as its intended user.

otherwise it is an Xplane future and no mistake.

 

From reading your other posts I know that your feelings about X-Plane are somewhat akin to my feelings about P3D2, so I hope at least you can understand where I'm coming from.

 

Right now I have everything because I like to keep my options open.

 

 

Having taken all the time to write all of the above, I've just slapped myself because I've been sucked into the same old partisan "my sim is better than yours" argument that has puncuated these fora and others for the fifteen years or so that I have been visiting them.

 

Bottom line - I bear no malice or resentment towards anybody here and I hope everybody gets the enjoyment they seek from whatever sim they choose to spend their time with.

Whilst I agree with the spirit of your sentiment I think you are missing a very fundamental point. Please look at the kind of company Lockheed Martin is

 

People were saying that when v1.3  was released and look how far they have taken the ESP code

If they only get to v2.3 then that is a lot further than we started from when MS pulled the plug.

when MS pulled the plug all I wanted was FSX SP3, now I have DX11 and cloud shadows.

 

I really do not care that I am not their intended user, I have my FSX SP3 now and I look forward to what may come next,  who knows what 2.3 and beyond will bring, Atmopheric scattering, crespucaler rays to go along with the cloud shadows, 64bit ?.

LM bought the code because they see value in it, why would they pull the plug now.