Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Sesquashtoo

The final good news, mixed with some bad....

Recommended Posts

Well...3PD can look pretty awesome, whether plain Vanilla, or loaded up with all your port-over ORBX goodies.

 

Now..here is the bad...and for some, could be a deal breaker:

 

If you load up with FSXG, VECTOR, Regional such as PNW, CRM, Pacific Fjords...etc...

 

Your FPS are going to dump between a low of 15-22 as the run.  That's right.  If you crack the sim open, so as to see the features you paid for, and even on my system, you WILL lose about 10-13 FPS from Vanilla.

 

But here is also another point.  I found the fresh install 'Vanilla' P3D to have pretty darn good graphics, at full Extremely Dense settings of all three tabs. Shadows all enabled, etc...and could easily stay at 30 FPS, in or out of the cockpit as viewing the world.

 

I would say that the Vanilla (nothing added to P3D) except perhaps airports, but NO ORBX anything...can be very satisfying..as Vanilla really looks like a close cousin to FSX-Global anyways.  I know that I would fly the sim that way. I would only add airports, but no other scenery, which is the culprit and FPS sucker in P3D v2.2.

 

Final comment:  If you have a perfectly running and well maintaing FPS rate in FSX...you might want to stay with that, and would still have a very premium experience in flight sims.

 

I have no regrets in buying into P3D and will enjoy it, for you can still get a somewhat smooth experience even down to 15-18 FPS. This can't be said for FSX.

 

Also, one very important item:  You need to MANUALLY (right click upon the desktop) bring up your driver mask..and make 3D adjustments from there.  If you want to have P3D adjust, you need to make all the masks in the driver 'Application Controlled' That is most important, or you will NOT be actually making any adjustment to your driver from within the sim.  Most of us use nVidia Inspector for FSX..but this program DRIVES and forces the actual driver to conform to what you want...under DX9 and DX10.  Again..unless you manually change the settings in the driver mask to Application-Controlled...you are beat.  If you fly FSX, you need to run nVidia Inspector again, and save the custom driver dips. If you don't, you will still have all your settings for P3D. There is no way that I can see, to have it change for you...because P3D is DX11, and there is no control of this via nVidia Inspector.

 

Back to the flight.... (bottom line)...you will lose 10-12 FPS in P3D, to render what FSX does at full bore graphic settings. I run it this way because even VECTOR will NOT show you all elements unless you run your graphic setting within P3D at the full 'Extremely Dense'.  If you do that..than you will see a total transformation of P3D...to what ORBX had placed, in Vector and FSXG.

 

Mitch

Share this post


Link to post

Great news....I didn't give up....and FPS are back to 30...with everything installed

 

What the h*ll happened, I do not know...but I did do three defrag runs in a row....and upon firing up P3D, in PNW....at KORS...I have 30 FPS!!!!!!   

 

So...I have no idea what happened, but obviously I had some sort of issue in the install.  Three defrag runs, seems to have clear it up...so, it appears that one can have the sim cranked, and STILL maintain 30 fps...which is my limit setting. 

 

This is great news...for I was yes...bummed out as my FPS kept dropping with each layer of install...

 

So as far as I am concerned....you need to now disregard my report of a 33 percent drop in FPS...as it obviously was the result of P3D getting indigestion per one of my installs....

 

Post Edit:  That did the trick...P3D needs serious DEFRAGGING, after scenery installs. I did three passes, one after another...and got my performance back. I have been flying all around KORS and the islands of PNW...and have kept 27-30 (locked) FPS all the time. Before the defrag runs, I was luck to get 19!

 

 

 

Mitch'er

Share this post


Link to post

Hi Mitch,

 

pardon, why are you telling us this? What should we do to get the best out for P3D v2.x in your opinion?

 

On my side I can say that I'm pretty much satisfied with P3D v2.2.1 even with all the ORBX NA sceneries installed. My FPS is pretty stable at locked 44.

 

I didn't get your message.

Spirit

 

PS: Don't you know about the profiles in nVidia Inspector?

Share this post


Link to post

I was gonna defrag my drive and then I remembered my Prepar3D was on an SSD...

Share this post


Link to post

Mitch,

 

Something I've found is that if I mess with the display settings a lot in P3D the framerate is not always indicative of what it should be. If I feel like the FPS should have gone up and it didn't, I'll either save my flight if in route or just exit, then reload the sim and the FPS increase I thought I would have had is there.

 

Needless to say, Lockheed still has some things to iron out.

 

And remember, never give up, never give in!

When it comes to being happy with your sim!

Share this post


Link to post

Hi Mitch,

 

pardon, why are you telling us this? What should we do to get the best out for P3D v2.x in your opinion?

 

On my side I can say that I'm pretty much satisfied with P3D v2.2.1 even with all the ORBX NA sceneries installed. My FPS is pretty stable at locked 44.

 

I didn't get your message.

Spirit

 

PS: Don't you know about the profiles in nVidia Inspector?

Spirit...hello...I was loading in ORBX stuff from the virgin state, and went from 30 sustained (locked) FPS to 12-14 FPS.  No amount of slider back-off was really helping. I was quite bummed out.  Well...on a hunch, I decided to defrag right there and then.  I did...not once, but three times in succession.  I then fired up P3D...and to my utter amazement, in PNW, with all sliders full out...blah, blah...I held 30 FPS on the ground at taxi, and then departed KORS and flew around the entire area for an hour...and stayed between 27-30 FPS!!!   I have stayed there, since. P3D is performing most excellently. I trying to suggest to everyone, that perhaps P3D really needs things nice and tidy on the hard drive of which it is installed,  perhaps more so than FSX, etc.  

 

So, if you experience less performance than you feel you should get with your equipment, perhaps try a defrag session, one to three times on the drive that holds P3D.  You might find that it picks up your FPS, like it did mine.  I have no other plausible explanation for suddenly getting my FPS performance back, but back, it is...and I am thrilled like a pig in you-know-what.....

 

Mitch

Share this post


Link to post

I am getting awful framerates with all sliders turned back and a 780ti. Too bad P3D can't just work out of the box. Unfortunately FSX runs and looks better than P3D for me right now.

Share this post


Link to post

I am getting awful framerates with all sliders turned back and a 780ti. Too bad P3D can't just work out of the box. Unfortunately FSX runs and looks better than P3D for me right now.

 

Don't use vysnc. I don't know why but fps fluctuates a lot. I was using vsync and fps was jumping between 50, 25 and 16 (my refresh rate is 50hz). I had low performance and massive stuttering issue. Now, I just limited to fps 25fps without vsync, it still stutters but much better. I am using DylanM's settings which is quite high settings actually with almost everything enabled. See here http://forum.avsim.net/topic/441047-going-from-fsxdx10-to-p3dthe-difference-in-my-case/page-2

Share this post


Link to post

.......Well...on a hunch, I decided to defrag right there and then.  I did...not once, but three times in succession.  I then fired up P3D...and to my utter amazement, in PNW, with all sliders full out...blah, blah...I held 30 FPS on the ground at taxi, and then departed KORS and flew around the entire area for an hour...and stayed between 27-30 FPS!!!   I have stayed there, since. P3D is performing most excellently. I trying to suggest to everyone, that perhaps P3D really needs things nice and tidy on the hard drive of which it is installed,  perhaps more so than FSX, etc.  ....

Hi Mitch,

my recommendation is to change your HDDs to SSDs!

Spirit

Share this post


Link to post

I am getting awful framerates with all sliders turned back and a 780ti. Too bad P3D can't just work out of the box. Unfortunately FSX runs and looks better than P3D for me right now.

 

It sounds like you have a problem, as that's not the case with anyone else.

 

If you need help just let us know.

Share this post


Link to post

I actually use both VSync and triple buffering with relativ good performance.

 

PNW KORS with water at ultra i have 55-62 fps with ASN and 3 cloud layers. This holds up to FSDT CYVR then fps drops to 30 and 20-25 on approach in the A36

 

Michael

Share this post


Link to post

It sounds like you have a problem, as that's not the case with anyone else.

 

If you need help just let us know.

 I agree with this.  With a 780, your system should be working extremely well.

Share this post


Link to post

 

 


If you fly FSX, you need to run nVidia Inspector again, and save the custom driver dips. If you don't, you will still have all your settings for P3D.

 

Hi Mitch,

 

I don't think it matters because you are adding the application (fsx.exe or preapr3d.exe) to the FSX or P3D profile which are applied when you start either sim.  I don't think you have to go through the trouble of setting NI up each time you switch back and forth.

Share this post


Link to post

Great news....I didn't give up....and FPS are back to 30...with everything installed

 

What the h*ll happened, I do not know...but I did do three defrag runs in a row....and upon firing up P3D, in PNW....at KORS...I have 30 FPS!!!!!!   

 

So...I have no idea what happened, but obviously I had some sort of issue in the install.  Three defrag runs, seems to have clear it up...so, it appears that one can have the sim cranked, and STILL maintain 30 fps...which is my limit setting. 

 

This is great news...for I was yes...bummed out as my FPS kept dropping with each layer of install...

 

So as far as I am concerned....you need to now disregard my report of a 33 percent drop in FPS...as it obviously was the result of P3D getting indigestion per one of my installs....

 

Post Edit:  That did the trick...P3D needs serious DEFRAGGING, after scenery installs. I did three passes, one after another...and got my performance back. I have been flying all around KORS and the islands of PNW...and have kept 27-30 (locked) FPS all the time. Before the defrag runs, I was luck to get 19!

 

 

 

Mitch'er

 

question for you. i remember you were an xplaner and seen your glowing reviews about prepar3d 2.X

how do you feel as a person who went to another platform. compared to xplane what things do you miss if any.

 

thanks

Share this post


Link to post

This is good news...though, it's surprising it was solved by a defrag.  My investment in Orbx was one of the reasons I've sat on the sidelines.  Slowly but surely, the issues continue to be resolved.

Share this post


Link to post

Hi Mitch,

my recommendation is to change your HDDs to SSDs!

Spirit

Thanks Spirit...will certainly look into that at the next storage increase...and thanks!

question for you. i remember you were an xplaner and seen your glowing reviews about prepar3d 2.X

how do you feel as a person who went to another platform. compared to xplane what things do you miss if any.

 

thanks

Saed45...I really have no miss or hits with  any of them, but the following: I have a pretty powerful system (I think!), and am having problems with FPS in P3D.  I had defragged, and for about an hour or so, I had near 27-30 FPS, but soon thereafter, I have had some very, very poor performance from P3D...to as low and jerky as 8 FPS!!!  I have changed nothing, but have noted that (I missed this...) there is in nVidia Inspector, a profile setting for P3D...and will check that when I have the time.  I have no explanation for such poor performance from P3D, loaded with all my Orbx stuff, and including my new purchase of Vector.  When at my first installation and Vanilla...I came on here...with a WOW and gangbuster...for it was.  I was keeping at or above 30 FPS with all sliders hot.  I then started in, loading my ORBX...and the FPS went 'South' pretty permanently.  Not happy about this.

 

As a result of my good--->fair...>poor FPS and system performance with P3d v2.2, I am certainly not going to post another thing on the subject, until I see that I have PERMANENTLY (not flip-flopping one minute to the next, is seems!) found a solution to bring up a modicum of FSX-esque performance, or will put it to the side until something in a later version, corrects whatever it is...

 

I feel rather foolish now, banging out the praise, before adding what my FSX has inside its wrapper...and realize now (I apologize to all...) that my endorsement, was very premature, and was a result of seeing the new features, enjoying them immensely, but I realize that for my system, it pretty much has to be, as it comes installed, and nothing more added into the sim.  I am experiencing today HORRIBLE FPS performance.  Let's talk in the 8-12 range....with massive chunk and stutter...and this on an over-clocked GTX680 2 GB card, that plows through XPX and FSX (ultra ORBX loaded up).

 

So...I'm going to go silent...sit in the bush...and try as hard as I can to primp and promp P3D, to make it flyable and enjoyable with ORBX,   It is, what it is...but I am not certainly going to go out and spend another $700.00 on a new G card, just to pick up a few more visual effects that FSX doesn't have....no way!  I tried it...loved what I saw...but am bummed out that it (for myself at least) must be at the fresh-install, Vanilla Level.  Is P3D a great flight sim. YOU BET...YESSIR...but simply can't run on my i7-975 Extreme oc (4.1 GHz) with an EVGA SuperClock Signature GTX 680 2 GB and 12 GB memory RAM---system.  It simply...doesn't fly.... FSX (loaded to the 9's) with every program and plane purchased...flies like a dream, so I not totally out of the race.  

 

I tried it...(will not ask for a refund...and will work with it...as I did FSX) and hope that v2.3 and so on...brings up the FPS performance, with add ons such as from ORBX.

 

For now, my main sims will be XPX (looking forward to XPX.30) and FSX.

 

If others are having/had better experience...than all the power and luck to them.  I'm most happy for them..and indeed!

 

Mitch

This is good news...though, it's surprising it was solved by a defrag.  My investment in Orbx was one of the reasons I've sat on the sidelines.  Slowly but surely, the issues continue to be resolved.

Gregg...I was premature...and I admit with the Vanilla First Install...it was a fabulous experience. I did not anticipate that adding in complex scenery that runs fine under FSX's engine..would bring P3D to its knees on my same system. So...I ask everybody to please dismiss any and all comments I have posted over the last two days...and simply judge P3D for your own merits, as you see it playing out on your own system.  I guess, this is the only way for it to truly play out.  Each system, and what the User is willing to dumb down the features to, to make it run...is a personal angle.

 

If I can't have P3D giving me the features upon the screen that it has the built-in capability for, and also, with premium add on scenery packages, ...then it has no use for my flight simulation endevours.  I have to fly what can put it out onto the screen.

 

Cheers,

 

Mitch

Hi Mitch,

 

I don't think it matters because you are adding the application (fsx.exe or preapr3d.exe) to the FSX or P3D profile which are applied when you start either sim.  I don't think you have to go through the trouble of setting NI up each time you switch back and forth.

You are quite right!  I did not see the nVidia Inspector PROFILE for P3D, but for this morning. I will try to work with it as I had done to fabulous results for FSX and FS9.  Wish me luck...for I think that I shall need it...:( 

 

I had thought that I could not use N.I. for P3D.  Glad to see that I can...and start to try figuring out why my FPS performance is frankly....in the toilet, with anything other than a pure and clean installation.

Share this post


Link to post

 

 


Gregg...I was premature...and I admit with the Vanilla First Install...it was a fabulous experience. I did not anticipate that adding in complex scenery that runs fine under FSX's engine..would bring P3D to its knees on my same system.

 

Not a worry.  It might help if you'd put your PC specs and sim details in your profile.  I think it's good to see your struggles and thought processes as you work through this and think it will iron out.  People will have suggestions and more evidence will come.  Best of luck!

 

Gregg

Share this post


Link to post

Hi Guys,

 

Quite a few of you are reporting problems with n-vidia cards and N inspector etc, how are you guys getting on with ATI AMD cards, how does P3D v2.2 run with these cards in comparison?

 

Cheers,

Share this post


Link to post

" I am experiencing today HORRIBLE FPS performance.  Let's talk in the 8-12 range....with massive chunk and stutter."

 

Same here Mitch its not usable but will keep it to see if it improves - I hope it does - I cant imagine how bad it will get with more addons which shows me how amazing fsx is to do what it does - I had nothing but rex4 - ftx global and a toilet base plane and when you add any clouds it tanks - no ai whatsoever so guess the wait is on brother - but I did enjoy your excitement - thought you were on to something. 

 

Oh running a Titan and that didnt help at all.

 

Nice you were man enough to admit there is a problem.

Share this post


Link to post

" I am experiencing today HORRIBLE FPS performance.  Let's talk in the 8-12 range....with massive chunk and stutter."

 

Same here Mitch its not usable but will keep it to see if it improves - I hope it does -......

 

How does it come? In another thread you're praising the AM=15 so much for having a smooth sim now.

Spirit

Share this post


Link to post

FTX Global has quite a large amount of data if I am not mistaken.  A defrag is required when adding large amounts of data.  Remember, not all defrag programs are the same, I've had best results with O&O defrag.  And do stay away from the default windows defragger.

Share this post


Link to post

Well reading thru threads a day later I noticed this tweak and said what the heck I'll try it and it worked couldn't believe it so I passed it on to help someone else, also stay away from NI in P3D in 2.2

Share this post


Link to post

.......also stay away from NI in P3D in 2.2

I use NI all the time and have no problems at all. Why do you think so?

Spirit

Share this post


Link to post

" I am experiencing today HORRIBLE FPS performance.  Let's talk in the 8-12 range....with massive chunk and stutter."

 

Same here Mitch its not usable but will keep it to see if it improves - I hope it does - I cant imagine how bad it will get with more addons which shows me how amazing fsx is to do what it does - I had nothing but rex4 - ftx global and a toilet base plane and when you add any clouds it tanks - no ai whatsoever so guess the wait is on brother - but I did enjoy your excitement - thought you were on to something. 

 

Oh running a Titan and that didnt help at all.

 

Nice you were man enough to admit there is a problem.

Rich, you are running a Titan, and YOU are experiencing lousy frame rates?  Ok...now THAT is depressing to read.....wow.

 

I am thinking of just uninstalling P3D, doing a quick format of the hard drive that only P3D is aboard...and then re-install another 'Vanilla'.  I think I might only add Vector, so as to have roadways and better shorelines.  I hope that by only installing Vector, does my installation again, not go for an FPS dump.  If so...then I will do one more format and then another 'clean install', and just leave it at that. Orbx products, weather products, and texture products, will be only for FSX, and P3D....well, P3D will be for whatever comes with it.  Das all folks....

Rich, you are running a Titan, and YOU are experiencing lousy frame rates?  Ok...now THAT is depressing to read.....wow.

 

I am thinking of just uninstalling P3D, doing a quick format of the hard drive that only P3D is aboard...and then re-install another 'Vanilla'.  I think I might only add Vector, so as to have roadways and better shorelines.  I hope that by only installing Vector, does my installation again, not go for an FPS dump.  If so...then I will do one more format and then another 'clean install', and just leave it at that. Orbx will be for FSX and P3D will be for whatever comes with it.  Das all folks....

 

FTX Global has quite a large amount of data if I am not mistaken.  A defrag is required when adding large amounts of data.  Remember, not all defrag programs are the same, I've had best results with O&O defrag.  And do stay away from the default windows defragger.

O and O was the 'frag that I used three times in succession. All were Complete in nature. I honestly don't believe at this time, that it did anything for my FPS...as after an hour or so, and with P3D accessing the driver over that hour...things once more steadily went into the FPS dumper in a big way....I started going as low as 8-12 with chunk and stutter so bad...it made my teeth chatter!

Well reading thru threads a day later I noticed this tweak and said what the heck I'll try it and it worked couldn't believe it so I passed it on to help someone else, also stay away from NI in P3D in 2.2

What tweak was that, Rich?

 

Mitch

Share this post


Link to post

Well, after a few hours of flying and tweaking this...tuning that....adjusting this...I actually got P3D to put out great graphics...and at 27-30 FPS!

 

I'm not touching anything!

 

So, if you don't give up...you CAN get FPS out of it.  You just have to keep working all the combinations of settings, until you have what you can live with...and enjoy. But the bottom line..is with ORBX stuffed to the gills, ASN, REX4 Direct, you CAN archive 27 to 30 (my locked setting max) and start enjoying this sim.

 

Back to the flight, out of KFNT....and oh....VECTOR looks fantastic in this sim. I recommend it. Highways look incredible...and much better than what they do under UTX in FSX.  I know...for I have both products now. I might even bring Vector over to FSX...but, I'll see about that...

 

Post Edit:  Just to let you know where I am getting 27-30 sustained FPS, with every Scenery Slider set to full right, is over ORBX Global, in Michigan, near Flint and heading up to the U.P.  Again...Vector does miracles for the stock sim.  It was expensive..but I feel it adds $$$ to the look of P3D.

 

Post Edit 2:  Final thought as I head out towards the U.P...is that P3D truly eclipses FSX in the look and 'feel' of flight.  The sky and general atmospherics is drop dead gorgeous, and that's a fact. LM worked magic on that aspect.  You really do feel you are flying 'through' something...and it works, folks...it works. Everybody was/is right. The sim is beautiful to view...and to use.  You just have to tweak the heck out of it, as per your system specs...but can you?  Yes...you can!  I went from 8 FPS this morning, to a now sustained 27 to 30.  It's doable.......so stick in there Rich...tweak, poke, pull, push..and you will get it working too!

 

Mitch

Share this post


Link to post
×
×
  • Create New...