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P3D v2.3 vs. XPX 10.30b8: KSNA to KCNO

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Hi there!

With the release of the fantastic v2.3 patch for P3D, and the updates for SkyMAXX Pro to v2.0 and the new beta patch for X-Plane 10.30, I thought, I´d do a little comparison flight.

I took a flight from KSNA to KCNO in the outstanding A2A Cherokee in P3D, and after that, I flew Carenado´s superb XPX release, the new Stationair, on the same route in X-Plane 10.

I tried to set the weather parameters more or less equally in both sims. The date and time of day had been set to the exact same figures as well. (August, 13th, 9:45 am local time)

The other following addons were used in the sims:

P3D: Orbx FTX Global, REX4 Texture Direct HD

XPX: OSM North America, HD Mesh v2, Treelines and Farms v2, MaxxFX, UrbanMAXX 3D, Dataref Editor

 

I haven´t tried to take the exact same pictures in both sims, but I flew the same GPS route on both flights at the same altitude.

I really enjoyed both flights very much, here you can see the results:

 

P3D:

 

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XPX:

 

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Thanks Michael for the great post . Personally P3D is clearly the winner , the clouds and their shadows look sooo beautiful 

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Hi Michael,

 

Thanks for taking the time to do this. Excellent shots!

 

I definitely prefer the look of Prepar3D here. The REX textures you chose are sure looking nice  :o

 

Cheers!

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The problem I have with P3D is the gamma, I had the same problem with FSX outside on a sunny day it looks like photo 3 of the xplane set... I fly all 3 sims, got rid of P3d because of the performance

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Terrain textures look great for P3D. That's something I really notice the lack of in XPX.

 

Clouds from Rex always look nice in screenshots, but in flight their 2Dness always breaks the immersion for me.

 

Atmosphere and lighting look much better in XPX. Having the background slightly bluer than the foreground is a small, but hugely important change to the realism of the environment.

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Which textures are more representative for that area?  They both look great, but their texture colors are vastly different, much more lush for p3d/ftx and much more arid/desert for xp10

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Which textures are more representative for that area?  They both look great, but their texture colors are vastly different, much more lush for p3d/ftx and much more arid/desert for xp10

Neither is 100% accurate. I guess XP10 is a bit more realistic... that area is more similar to a desert than a lush, green area. That's my opinion, considering I've driven around that area before. 

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Clouds from Rex always look nice in screenshots, but in flight their 2Dness always breaks the immersion for me.

 

Have you tried ASN?  It helps in this regard by dropping visibility as you enter clouds and increasing it as you leave them making them come darned close to feeling volumetric.  No, they're really not, but the effect works remarkably well.

 

Scott

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thanks for all your responses so far.

I have to say, that the weather looks way better in both sims when a weather engine is injecting it (in my case FSGRW for P3D and EFASS for XPX).

But I wanted to see how they compare if one sets the weather values to comparable figures.

Concerning the ground textures in that area, I think that XPX looks more like what you find in reality. Although they could be a little sharper when you fly low (FTX Global still looks pretty sharp at 1.000ft AGL) and there should be a wider variety of different textures.

As I said, I really enjoyed both flights. The results show the strengths and weaker points of both sims. I couldn't pick a "winner" here, especially considering the fact that the whole thing feels completely different again if you see it in motion.

The next comparison will be a flight over the Alps in Europe, probably at late afternoon.

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Looks impressive in both sims. As far as the clouds and sky go prepar3d looks by far the best.

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Sorry Mik75, but this test is not realistic.  ^_^
 
 
Why used MaxxFX with XP10? :huh:  
MaxxFX is absolutely the worst addon that exists for XP10. 
This addon does not improve the graphic realism of XP10. 
This addon does not do a real environment. 
 
 
This "XP10 cartoon style" is real?
Is good?   :wacko:  
 
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The best XP10 graphic is obtained with "Real Terra Haze" (freeware), "FlyWithLua" (freeware), and Simheaven scenery (freeware).
Not MaxxFX (payware). 
 
This is the true power of graphics XP10 (without MaxxFX).
This is the real XP10.
 
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Great shots Efis. Are you using Real Terra Haze? If so could you share your settings?

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Please excuse my english (i use google translator).  :blush:

 

Answer the question: Nope, I do not use XP10. :(  

I use FS2004 only. 

 

XP10 interests me because I want to replicate the "Real Earth Haze" effect in my FS2004!

Impossible?

Yes and no.

Using a special combination of new Sky Textures, and SweetFX utility, I have create a "Lua horizon" similar (only similar) to the XP10.

 

 

This is my FS2004 with "Real Terra Haze". 

 

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I am an XPX guy and even I think the ground in P3D looks miles better.  I don't like the default XPX textures(which is why I make my own photoscenery).

 

I never much cared for that MaxxFx plugin myself(his other work is very, very good), since it makes things look much less realistic.

 

My problem with P3D is blurries, when I fly around it starts off great but then the textures start to blur out badly, not a problem with x-plane(which is why I made the switch in the first place).

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Sorry Mik75, but this test is not realistic.  ^_^
 
 
Why used MaxxFX with XP10? :huh:  
MaxxFX is absolutely the worst addon that exists for XP10. 
This addon does not improve the graphic realism of XP10. 
This addon does not do a real environment. 
 
 
This "XP10 cartoon style" is real?

Is good?   :wacko:  

 
kkEEfVO.jpg
 
 
The best XP10 graphic is obtained with "Real Terra Haze" (freeware), "FlyWithLua" (freeware), and Simheaven scenery (freeware).
Not MaxxFX (payware). 
 
This is the true power of graphics XP10 (without MaxxFX).
This is the real XP10.
 
4pYDsGF.jpg
 
P3hAWLg.jpg
 
0kGNdTl.jpg
 
FixhCRM.jpg
 
ao0nXFb.jpg
 
 
nnz7cjak.jpg
 
hy5uft9n.jpg
 
y988zcof.jpg
 
t7w59ydp.jpg
 
s4epm6kl.jpg
 
 
:rolleyes:

 

WHOA those are awsome!!! Now I want X-plane thanks for making my wallet cry lol

I am an XPX guy and even I think the ground in P3D looks miles better.  I don't like the default XPX textures(which is why I make my own photoscenery).

 

I never much cared for that MaxxFx plugin myself(his other work is very, very good), since it makes things look much less realistic.

 

My problem with P3D is blurries, when I fly around it starts off great but then the textures start to blur out badly, not a problem with x-plane(which is why I made the switch in the first place).

I know its a hassle but once you start P3d open the task manager and find the p3d process and right click and select set affinity, make it use all of your CPU cores and I promise your blurries will be  a thing of the past!

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Keep up the good work for FS2004 efis.  I have both X-Plane 10 and P3DV2, but prefer the overall look and feel of X-Plane.  I also wish the default ground textures would be improved especially in the desert areas of the southwest United States.

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WHOA those are awsome!!! Now I want X-plane thanks for making my wallet cry lol

I know its a hassle but once you start P3d open the task manager and find the p3d process and right click and select set affinity, make it use all of your CPU cores and I promise your blurries will be  a thing of the past!

 

 I believe that from 2.3 P3D now sets the CPU affinity to all cores by default, unless of course you've manually edited the config file to specify a different affinity mask.

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Look this video.

Extreme graphic realism, total blurry absence at any distance, awsome environment with realistic colors, and very important 64-bit software (bye bye OOM).

 


 


P3D is a good simulator, but is not "modern simulator".

Is "equal" to FS2004. :wacko:  


It 'an old 32-bit code, as FS2004! 

FS2004 (year 2004) was a 32-bit. 

P3D 2.3 (year 2014) is still 32-bit. 

This is absurd, it's been 10 years (not 10 months!) and we're still using a simulator 32-bit.  :unsure:


 

Well in my opinion with all respect for P3D, x plane 10 is better simulator with a lot of capabilities, 64 bits version can take use of the modern hardware, a lot addons free, multi platform Win Mac Linux, excellent flight dynamics.

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Great shots Efis. Are you using Real Terra Haze? If so could you share your settings?

Sorry Mik75, but this test is not realistic.  ^_^

 

 

Why used MaxxFX with XP10? :huh:  

MaxxFX is absolutely the worst addon that exists for XP10. 

This addon does not improve the graphic realism of XP10. 

This addon does not do a real environment. 

 

 

This "XP10 cartoon style" is real?

Is good?   :wacko:  

 

kkEEfVO.jpg

 

 

The best XP10 graphic is obtained with "Real Terra Haze" (freeware), "FlyWithLua" (freeware), and Simheaven scenery (freeware).

Not MaxxFX (payware). 

 

This is the true power of graphics XP10 (without MaxxFX).

This is the real XP10.

 

4pYDsGF.jpg

 

P3hAWLg.jpg

 

0kGNdTl.jpg

 

FixhCRM.jpg

 

ao0nXFb.jpg

 

 

nnz7cjak.jpg

 

hy5uft9n.jpg

 

y988zcof.jpg

 

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:rolleyes:

That´s quite funny, because you used some of my screenshots and my video (Beautiful Approach into Geneva), and on all of them, I used MaxxFX.

It´s worth noting that I do not use any of the sefault presets that come with the plugin, I always use my custom settings!

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Mik, your screen are very beautiful.  :good:

But have strange colors and lights. 

The range of light level and shadow level is... "disconnected". 

 

The color of the sky is very blue, maybe too blue. 

I prefer a sky color more "soft".

 


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Another example. 

These screens have little light, too dark. 

We need more light, Nik, more light!   :(  

 


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I am sure that your XP10 can do better. 

I am sure.

 

Best regards!  :drinks:

 

 

Note: in the video "Beautiful Approach into Geneva" your sky color is perfect!

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