Michael first a note is that the actual images via Nasa World Wind are from 2003 I believe... so maybe something changed...As for tire marks see screenshots...http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/113126.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/113127.jpgAndr

>are from 2003 I believe... so maybe something changed...well, since 2003 there must be even more rubber left on the runway. ;-)>As for tire marks see screenshots...Ok, the bottom picture I can see tire marks ok. But this is the smaller airport, not KPVD right? But the top picture I believe shows not tire marks but seasonal (winter) changes to the runway which by the way look awesome. Take the summer picture of approach to runway 23 and then we will know ...Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

Michael maybe recent new payvement could changed that ;-)No this is KPVD (only from a high angle and runway 5 happy to make more screenies to sent them by e-mail...Andr

>No this is KPVD (only from a high angle and runway 5 happy to>make more screenies to sent them by e-mail...sure, please send them to: [email protected] (please remove '77' from this address). thanks.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

Why argue over the price? That comes down to each person's personal choice and how they fly. For those who like to fly all over the world and not stay in a particular area, the product is probably not worth it. Howver for those of us who like the North East US area, it might look more attractive. The airports in the product are just a short hop from Boston and the NY/NJ area. I don't own this product as I am still deciding to buy. As for "price gauging" or "highway robbery", I just don't see the problem. The company sets a price and each person decides on what to buy. There is no monopoly, or other unfair market forces influecing people.

Which angle do you prefer Michael?Andr

>Which angle do you prefer Michael?Any angle that would show those tire marks well. I leave the rest to your creative juices. ;-)Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

"The problem is at $40 this scenery addon is a "niche"product, which will only appeal the those who have aparticular insterest in the area, as you do, or those withmoney burning a hole in there pocket.I would guess that the sales will probably show this..."Exactly! That's the point. If I've got nothing better to dowith my money than blow it on $40 addons for FS9, why do youor anyone else care? If the price is too high for the market to take, then theauthor will lower his price or go out of business. No onehas the right to someone else's work for free unless theydecide to give it. I read on this forum what in my opinion is a misguided feelingthat some feel that we are owed "freeware" which is nothingmore than the hard work of others for free. If some aregenerous with their time and work, then I applaud theirgenerosity. If others want to charge what they feel is a fairprice for their work, and I want to pay it, WHY DO YOUCARE??????I couldn't agree more!!!Some of te opinions here are truly amazing to read, just proves that people don't always think alike. My persoanl view, while I think the price is a bit high and that might leave some out of getting it, it's the designers choice and if it limits his sales, he'll lower it. His freeware scenery at LFRD is outstanding, so it's not like he has given the freeware supporter people something.I don't fly in the RI area, I don't even fly around Dallas and I live here, doesn't mean I won't want to check out this scenery. That's the beauty of FS, I can fly where, when and what I want.What really got me in this thread is the ASSUMPTION that we all are using FS for procedural training - BS!! 90% of my flights are GA VFR looking at the scenery as I fly over it with the only IFR I do is when it's IMC and I don't have a choice!Since I don't have it I can't judge it, but I plan to order it after I type this, just because from what I have seen and read I need to know if it all true. If it is, this is going to be the stadard "I" will have for any addon scenery in the future.Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/mcdcvabanner.jpgCalVirAir International

Just sent by email hope they are usefullHave fun :-)Andr

RE: pricing, I think many EEU sellers are having to analyze the effect of the current weak USD. 30 euros may be a good price/value but pushing US$40 may be a little much over here. Time will tell one way or the other. As always, willing seller / able buyer will determine the market value.scott s..

Man, am I impressed! Just got this from Simmarket, installed and loaded up the new bell jetranger from Owen Hewitt at KPVD and flew around for an hour. As a scenery designer and a 3D modeler, I am just amazed at the detail and the great performance, I mean, there are 3d objects everywhere and not a single "hit" as you pan anywhere, it is that smooth. The way the world is portrayed from the air is very realistic looking based on what I have seen from RW flights. All we need is moving traffic to complete this scene.Looks like I need to ship my stuff up to RI for awhile as it's now my default start up! LOLBased on this 1 hour flight, I'll purchase any scenery in the US from these guys, MS needs to take note also!Man, I would LOVE a version of KADS (and surrounding area) from these guys!!!Finally real 3d cars and not a funky unrealistic photo of a parking lot, it can be done with great performance!Andre' you are correct, the bar has been raised....high!Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/mcdcvabanner.jpgCalVirAir Internationalhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/113158.jpg

>>"The problem is at $40 this scenery addon is a "niche">>product, which will only appeal the those who have a>>particular insterest in the area, as you do, or those with>>money burning a hole in there pocket.>>>>I would guess that the sales will probably show this...">>Exactly! That's the point. If I've got nothing better to do>with my money than blow it on $40 addons for FS9, why do you>or anyone else care? >>If the price is too high for the market to take, then the>author will lower his price or go out of business. No one>has the right to someone else's work for free unless they>decide to give it. >>I read on this forum what in my opinion is a misguided feeling>that some feel that we are owed "freeware" which is nothing>more than the hard work of others for free. If some are>generous with their time and work, then I applaud their>generosity. If others want to charge what they feel is a fair>price for their work, and I want to pay it, WHY DO YOU>CARE??????Why do I care?, because I do, as I have already stated its just my opinion, and if you don't agree with me then thats your right, but just because my opinion differs from yours, doesnt mean either of us are right or wrong, or you get the right to bash me down about it.Of course I don't feel we are "owed" freeware, I have ,off of my own back, given a few bucks to freeware authors who I believe deserve it, but, $40 for a scenery?, smacks of greed to me.As I said previous, the developers only know the amount of time and effort they put in, and if, at the $40 price point, they think its fair then good luck to them.I don't want or EXPECT this, or any other addon for free, but this $40 price is going to set a horrible president, and one which I believe others will follow.Heck, I might even buy it now, just to see what all the gushing is about ;)Dan.

Michael,I never said anything about IFR - did you read and properly understand my posting?! * 100% * of MY flights are actually VFR but with modified course and altitude corresponding to commercial jet flight levels and I do look at the scenery but mainly the airports. If I want a low-level flight over a city, I'd pick my Flight 1 Cessna 172 for a short "sight-seeing" fly-over.Regardless of whether you want to even care to learn about flight procedures and how each plane handles differently, several people have said the same thing that $40US for a mere scenery is "greedy" or "too much" and that's EXACTLY WHAT IT IS! PERIOD! ... Oh, and by the way - what do you think is meant by "F-L-I-G-H-T S-I-M-U-L-A-T-O-R" -> a scenery "adventure" game or a modeling of real-world flight but with beautiful scenery to "enhance" your flight experience. If you fly mainly for the scenery, then by all means and go ahead and waste your money on $40 US scenery...who am I to stop you.And as for some people who for some reason understood my COMPARISON of free-ware quality to this Rhode Island scenery to mean that I EXPECT freeware, I was only making the comparison that the quality of this scenery is no better than some of the amazing freeware I've installed on my system (e.g. Soekarno-Hatta airport in Jakarta, Old Jeruselam city scenery). I admire free-ware makers even more now that I see payware makers shamelessly jacking up their prices like they have for this Rhode Island scenery... but of course, "shame", "humbleness", "caring" are quicly becoming dirty words in today's God-Forsaken World.John

Dan,No bashing here. You're 100% correct that you can express and have your opinion. I said that previously. I just don't understand the problem that you or anyone has with someone charging whatever they want for their product. That was my point about freeware. If it's given for free, that's noble and generous. On the other hand, any person who works hard can offer a product for sale at whatever price they want. We as consumers are then free to buy or not. I bought a few of the Megascenery titles. After purchase, I thought they were overpriced and the quality and support was awful. Needless to say I won't be buying more.The same rule applies to any product. I would love a Mercedes and think that they cost too much and should be less expensive. Does that mean that the dealer is "greedy" because he charges what the product is worth and I have to settle for a Honda instead? Have a great Sunday.-Neil

Based on what I read here, I bought the scenery, even though I don't fly much in this part of the world. It is outstanding as mentioned above, especially that everything blends so naturally together and especially in light of all the objects scattered about.Just like you Michael, I'm moving my startup to RI :)Thanks Andre for the heads-up!