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anyone who reads this forum and has Prepar3d but does not have the Triple 7 is missing out.  Honestly, if your a big jet kinda guy the Prepar3d Triple 7 from PMDG is hands down THE BEST aircraft I've ever flown in my simulator.  It is simply smooth, reacts quickly and realistically (functions and navigation in the VC), flies like a dream.  I expected high quality since it has PMDG stamped on it but this blows away my FSX PMDG 737, MD 11 all day, and any other add on for that matter.  Thank you for this wonderful aircraft and please anyone just buy it, you cannot go wrong.

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Hi all,

 

anyone who reads this forum and has Prepar3d but does not have the Triple 7 is missing out.  Honestly, if your a big jet kinda guy the Prepar3d Triple 7 from PMDG is hands down THE BEST aircraft I've ever flown in my simulator.  It is simply smooth, reacts quickly and realistically (functions and navigation in the VC), flies like a dream.  I expected high quality since it has PMDG stamped on it but this blows away my FSX PMDG 737, MD 11 all day, and any other add on for that matter.  Thank you for this wonderful aircraft and please anyone just buy it, you cannot go wrong.

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thanks, how are the fps compared to Aerosoft busses. Not that I want to compare the two for functionality etc, but just wondering about fps.

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FPS in P3D are non relevant. They will deceive you in almost every possible way. You could be at 9 fps and still have the quality of 30 fps on FSX. In other words, don't compare sims and its software by measuring FPS because there will be a difference. The important thing is that it works. P3D is designed to use hardware that FSX would never handle. Additionally it uses DX11 technology.

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FPS in P3D are non relevant. They will deceive you in almost every possible way. You could be at 9 fps and still have the quality of 30 fps on FSX. In other words, don't compare sims and its software by measuring FPS because there will be a difference. The important thing is that it works. P3D is designed to use hardware that FSX would never handle. Additionally it uses DX11 technology.

that's not what I am asking, but thanks for the info.  :blink:

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I expected high quality since it has PMDG stamped on it but this blows away my FSX PMDG 737

 

In what way is it much better then the 737NGX for FSX ?

 

Jan Friberg

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the Prepar3d Triple 7 from PMDG is hands down THE BEST aircraft I've ever flown in my simulator.

 

Agreed. Granted the choice of available P3D-ready/approved isn't very big, the PMDG 777 blew me away. It raised the bar in so many ways, least of which is systems modeling.

 

 

thanks, how are the fps compared to Aerosoft busses. Not that I want to compare the two for functionality etc, but just wondering about fps.

 

Speaking of systems modeling, the performance is really, really good considering. It's definitely not as good as the Aerosoft busses but, again, so much more is modeled. There is another 777 on the market for P3D and the systems modeling isn't nearly as deep and it's still riddled with flaws. And the performance is not as good the PMDG. Comparing similar scenarios (weather, location, etc.), the PMDG is outperforming the other 777 by about 25% FPS wise  on my system (e.g. one scenario where it was 23FPS vs. 29FPS). But back to Aerosoft, they could be another 15-20% on top of that (mid to high 30s in that same scenario), although I am one of the folks affected by the weather radar. The PMDG seems very efficiently-coded and, even with my high settings, I've never encountered a slideshow scenario (I largely stay away from mega cities and poorly-coded addon airports).

 

Hope that helps...

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The fps are lower in P3D. You will need to adjust your settings if you require sufficent fps.

I have different cfg files one is called PMDG the other GA. This is to maintain at least 15-20 fps for me in the 777.

 

The 777 is or will be the toughest on fps in P3D. So for me it's the test bed for performance.

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Whoa! Since when can you offer an opinion on AVSIM?

 

All the threads I've read so far about the 777 point to P3D being the root cause of the improved flying experience, across multiple aircraft types/publishers.

 

Steve McLaren

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FPS in P3D are non relevant. They will deceive you in almost every possible way. You could be at 9 fps and still have the quality of 30 fps on FSX. In other words, don't compare sims and its software by measuring FPS because there will be a difference. The important thing is that it works. P3D is designed to use hardware that FSX would never handle. Additionally it uses DX11 technology.

Well, well stated. Ever since I switched to Prepar3D, I've lost count of the number of posts I've seen all with this great obsession with FPS. What you have observed and so clearly stated is spot-on. Makes a change to see a cogent point being made.

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This is just my experience. I find that the 777 runs at about 3-4 FPS slower than the Airbus. It uses about 150 more MB of memory. These are two very different aircraft and should not IMO be compared directly. Also, please don't get all bent out of shape with my numbers. They are not meant to spark debate. A question was asked and an answer was given. The 777 is an amazing simulation. The Aerosoft Airbus is, in its own right an, excellent aircraft.

 

If you read Mathijis' comments on the Aerosoft forum, a deliberate decision was made not to model certain aspects of the aircraft. That's OK. The FADEC and fly by wire systems on the Airbus are very good. PMDG deliberately decided to give us a plane that very closely models the real world vehicle. Just about everything on the real plane is modeled. Vive la différence.

 

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Speaking of systems modeling, the performance is really, really good considering. It's definitely not as good as the Aerosoft busses but, again, so much more is modeled. There is another 777 on the market for P3D and the systems modeling isn't nearly as deep and it's still riddled with flaws. And the performance is not as good the PMDG. Comparing similar scenarios (weather, location, etc.), the PMDG is outperforming the other 777 by about 25% FPS wise  on my system (e.g. one scenario where it was 23FPS vs. 29FPS). But back to Aerosoft, they could be another 15-20% on top of that (mid to high 30s in that same scenario), although I am one of the folks affected by the weather radar. The PMDG seems very efficiently-coded and, even with my high settings, I've never encountered a slideshow scenario (I largely stay away from mega cities and poorly-coded addon airports).

 

Hope that helps...

 

Thanks, that was what I was looking for.

 

 

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The fps are lower in P3D. You will need to adjust your settings if you require sufficent fps.

I have different cfg files one is called PMDG the other GA. This is to maintain at least 15-20 fps for me in the 777.

 

The 777 is or will be the toughest on fps in P3D. So for me it's the test bed for performance.

 

same, this will tell me enough, thanks

 

 

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viper1740, on 21 Feb 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

FPS in P3D are non relevant. They will deceive you in almost every possible way. You could be at 9 fps and still have the quality of 30 fps on FSX. In other words, don't compare sims and its software by measuring FPS because there will be a difference. The important thing is that it works. P3D is designed to use hardware that FSX would never handle. Additionally it uses DX11 technology.

Well, well stated. Ever since I switched to Prepar3D, I've lost count of the number of posts I've seen all with this great obsession with FPS. What you have observed and so clearly stated is spot-on. Makes a change to see a cogent point being made.

 

 

yes also thanks, but after 10 years of flightsim i know what fps does, and 9 does not eat the cake. I have track IR.

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The 777 in FSX, at least for me, is wonderful as well, and very fluid in my system. I can't believe that 9 fps means fluidity, try 30-40 fps and you will see the difference also in the immersion: high fps (>30-40) gives a kind of "three dimensional" sensation that low fps don't provide at all...  

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FPS in P3D are non relevant. They will deceive you in almost every possible way. You could be at 9 fps and still have the quality of 30 fps on FSX. In other words, don't compare sims and its software by measuring FPS because there will be a difference. The important thing is that it works. P3D is designed to use hardware that FSX would never handle. Additionally it uses DX11 technology.

 

I agree with you that there is no point to compare systems at or higher than 20FPS with systems that are running with higher FPS numbers (e.g. 30 or 40FPS), since the human eye processes around 24 FPS and not more.

 

However, to say that a P3D simulator running at 9FPS is as fluid as a FSX simulator at 30FPS is just neglecting Physics and if you really experience and compare both scenaries in reality (I personally doubt you did), you will agree. A FPS below 15FPS for sure is more like a slide show no matter whether in P3D or in FSX...

 

PS: I personally moved back to FSX today after more than one week adjusting P3D settings downwards to the lowest possible levels and still flying with 10+FPS the B777 at busy airports which was not a favourable experience at all.

At the same time, I have around 20FPS with FSX at the same airports and with reasonable settings.

I know it is the fault of my system that only has an older Nvidia550 2GB DX11 graphics card, 8MB RAM and a slower i7 Quad processor and I don`t blame PMDG or P3D or anyone else. I just wanted to share that you do not have a better performance by default by just moving to P3D. You also really need to have up to date hardware to take advantage of the P3D technology...

 

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Tilo

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I know it is the fault of my system that only has an older Nvidia550 2GB DX11 graphics card, 8MB RAM and a slower i7 Quad processor

 DX11 with that card ? well, maybe... but

8 MB RAM is an incredible TINY amount

Even 8G RAM is little

 

No wonder you like FSX better

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I bought 777 for P3D the other day (I do not have for FSX). It is really fantastic!

 

Personally, I really like that they have implemented so many different kinds of sounds which gives me  the feeling of "being there" greately.   

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yes also thanks, but after 10 years of flightsim i know what fps does, and 9 does not eat the cake. I have track IR.

 

Exactly.  This is what drives me bonkers about these people who love to 'violently agree' that FPS just doesn't matter in P3D.   It's a huge exaggeration.   9 FPS lol... And as you rightly said, Frames are important when you use TrackIR because TIR movement (and it's smoothness, or lack of) is entirely related to FPS.

If your view is primarily static (eg non-TIR user) then obviously frames will be less perceptible in flight.    Still I wonder how many more times today I'll read in posts that "frame rates make no difference in P3D!!!".  :wink:


 

 


DX11 with that card ? well, maybe... but
8 MB RAM is an incredible TINY amount
Even 8G RAM is little
 
No wonder you like FSX better

 

Are you always that facetious?

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Nice to know you are happy with P3D but IMO it is too similar to FSX to justify the purchase of P3D, above all considering that not all the addons are granted to be 100% compatible with P3D

 

Told that, the only hope is Dovetail will produce an own good flight simulator but as far as I know the project has been aborted cause Dovetail can't master the logic of a flight simulator with the knowledge of a train simulator, at least in the upcoming 5 years.

 

Told also that, we are happy that PMDG is still surfing the wave, otherwise we would be in a very ancient and dark atmosphere.

 

Maybe Quality Wing 787 will be a decent model, who knows, they are developing it since lot of years that a flop would be a real shame indeed 

 

Unless there will be a pure 64bits flight simulation based on Dx12 we will be using FSX and P3D, software 10 years old so far.... :(

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FPS is dependent on so many variables that it is hard to compare across different systems, settings, and addons.  Like one of the previous posters, I have several settings profiles that I load on the start screen depending on the aircraft I will be flying (GA, 777, Airbus, etc.).  It's very easy to load a profile on the start screen before loading P3D.  For the 777 I use default scenery sliders but since I have a GTX 980 I can bump up the graphical sliders one to two notches and still average 30 FPS in the 777 virtual cockpit.  High demanding scenery areas will drop the frames down to 24 but rarely under that value.  In cruise I typically get between 30 and 36.  Given the complexity of the aircraft I am an thoroughly impressed with these FPS numbers and the smoothness of the sim and wholeheartedly agree with the OP.

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Does this work with P3D-2.5?

I am poorly familiar with P3D, all I heard is a new version 2.5 has improvements is VAS and thus I began considering it.

777 is released for P3D-2.4, is it installable into 2.5?

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Hi all,

 

anyone who reads this forum and has Prepar3d but does not have the Triple 7 is missing out.  Honestly, if your a big jet kinda guy the Prepar3d Triple 7 from PMDG is hands down THE BEST aircraft I've ever flown in my simulator.  It is simply smooth, reacts quickly and realistically (functions and navigation in the VC), flies like a dream.  I expected high quality since it has PMDG stamped on it but this blows away my FSX PMDG 737, MD 11 all day, and any other add on for that matter.  Thank you for this wonderful aircraft and please anyone just buy it, you cannot go wrong.

 

No thanks. I might spend the $100+ when P3D goes 64-bit and I see it available for it. It's working just fine in FSX - - no need to dump a bunch of money for the same product in P3D. Oh, and yes, I know they "said" if you purchase it now that it will also include a free update for the 64-bit version, however that's too far off for me to believe it.

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Is 777 being the only PMDG aircraft going to be available for P3D?

I'm curious, P3D is obviously the future but are people willing to part with MD-11?

(I assume the 737 will be released for P3D, perhaps even a J-41, but MD-11 unlikely)

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