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The Rising Cost of Flight Simming

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I just purchased the 777 for P3D v2.4 and took advantage of the initial 'special' offer. Glad I did. It only cost me $au 120.00 or so. The au$ just hit its lowest point since the gfc at 75c US. NOW, I know this works both ways as last year our currency was $1.10 US but at this rate of exchange I would not be expecting too many sales from this part of the world if I were PMDG. I had hoped that I could collect the same stable of PMDG aircraft for P3D as I have for FSX but a man's gotta eat. I do not broach the subject to hold PMDG culpable in any way. It is just the way the system works but for people on fixed incomes these wonderful aircraft are being put further out of reach.

 

Jon Shearer

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Addon pricing has gone silly in general lately, with some exceptions it's greatly oustripping inflation without significantly upping the quality. Especially developers charging extra for P3D (I'm not going to go in to the whys and wherefores of that, just the plain fact it pushes costs up a lot). Carenado seem to be getting cheeky with their pricing lately, getting towards PMDG territory but without the feature set.

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We were actually talking about the dollar's performance last night, and how that's not necessarily a good thing in all cases. This would be one of them.

 

Also, this thread is one of those that stands on the edge of what we allow and what we don't allow, so please keep it clean. If it goes south, it's disappearing.

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Hi,

On the other hand all the economic system works with the same rules.and has the same risks. the rate of change risk is one of there..i.e. for an european person, 'cause the weak of our euro currency going to the States will be more and more expensive...

 

Ciao

Andrea.

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So far ... it's still cheaper than getting and maintaining a pilot's license.

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The bright side is that there are many, many addons to choose from, so your available options when seeking value are better than ever. PMDG products are always worth saving for.

 

Last year I dumped the change out of my pocket each day into empty plastic milk jugs. In October I took it to the bank, dumped it in their counting machine and had over $200.

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Last year I dumped the change out of my pocket each day into empty plastic milk jugs. In October I took it to the bank, dumped it in their counting machine and had over $200.

 

I do the same thing, but since I use cash for so much, I actually usually get about $25-30 every other month...of course, being in aviation, this all goes towards coffee   :Cuppa:

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As I mentioned in my initial post, "it works both ways". It's disappointing is all. I do not criticise developers charging for their efforts, especially in the case of PMDG. When I can afford it, my next must have is the DC6B for X-Plane.

 

After pondering on the subject for a while: The cost is not the only consideration ie I have 4 Flight Sim programs. FSX Accel appears to be in its death throes with the advent of FSX SE but FSX Accel is where the major part of my investment has ended up, X Plane has not grabbed me yet. Perhaps the DC6B will change that but the biggest decision is, what horse do I invest my money on. Do I stay with P3D and invest my dough, there or do I sign up for FSX SE and still have to re-acquire all my beloved aircraft. At this stage I believe P3D is the one but with the goal posts moving what seems like, daily, my mind may be changed tomorrow.

 

Jon Shearer


I do the same thing, but since I use cash for so much, I actually usually get about $25-30 every other month...of course, being in aviation, this all goes towards coffee   :Cuppa:

I don't keep much change. I'm the old bloke at the supermarket checkout with 6 or 8 people waiting to get through, slowly counting his change into the operators hand...and can anyone tell me why it is that the credit card that does not work belongs to whomever is in front of me.

 

Jon Shearer

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Re: The moving goal posts: I just checked out the sp1d update for PMDG 777 and the NGX and it gives me the option of installing into FSX SE. At least I would have my 2 favourite tubeliners at the get go. The pendulum is swinging.

 

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I don't keep much change. I'm the old bloke at the supermarket checkout with 6 or 8 people waiting to get through, slowly counting his change into the operators hand...and can anyone tell me why it is that the credit card that does not work belongs to whomever is in front of me.

 

I usually keep a couple coins in hand when I check out so that I can occasionally avoid getting more pennies, but I usually don't hand coins back unless I know I can be quick with it.

 

I'm right there with the card thing. It's either that or the person complains about something like a coupon being expired, or similar. My other favorite is when I escape the office for lunch and get behind the person ordering for their whole office...

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Sterling...sterling...sterling!!!!!

 

Loving buying stuff from Europe now...not so much the States

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I don't complain at all about the cost of addons. This is my only real hobby. It's really cheaper then golfing, fishing or a lot of other things, and is what I really love doing. Anything that enhances my sim is worth some $. My problem is my hard drive is getting full.  

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When i was working in the Canadian oil patch i pulled my Visa without thinking too much about buying addon's but i retired 2 years ago and now i really have a good look at what i'm gonna buy .

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I've seen a number of times people saying that PMDG is expensive, but I think in fact PMDG delivers very high value for the dollar. You could buy 1 PMDG aircraft and be kept busy with it for a long time, or spend a bit less on other products that deliver paper-thin depth of simulation and be bored after a couple dozen flights or frustrated at the bugs and lack of quality and end up buying new aircraft over and over.

 

The bad news for PMDG for my part is that I expect to remain busy with the NGX for a long time so I don't know if I'm ever going to buy the 777. The DC6 on the other hand, I doubt I'll be able to say no to that one LOL.

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This is also a very unique hobby. In essence simming has created/revolutionized the commercial flight simulation market.  How many other hobbies can claim such a thing? Just think about it. FSX/P3D ESP and X-plane are being used in many commercial simulators used in RW training. Many well-known developers' products that we use to enhance our virtual experience are also being used on a commercial level to create a better virtual flying environment for pilots in training. Today, there is a very fine line between our hobby and commercial simulation and the two worlds, in many ways, feed off each other. In fact, I would say the commercial market has, and continues to, benefit greatly from the years of experience we have in the flight sim community.  

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Agree with others, for the countless hours of enjoyment they provide, PMDG products (and other high quality add-on makers) are actually a great deal. For me at least, PMDG is an instant buy. 

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The cost of one of PMDG's aircraft simulations is less than a night out on the town. And will provide far, far more hours of enjoyment. It's a no brainer.

 

Dave

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Agree with others, for the countless hours of enjoyment they provide, PMDG products (and other high quality add-on makers) are actually a great deal. For me at least, PMDG is an instant buy. 

Hi I agree too...

Money spent for purchaising pmdg products is well worth...

I've been practising flight simulation since 1990 and I've seen and tested almost all high quality products regarding airliners (first step using fs3 and fs4 then airline simulator1 and 2, B744 precision simulator ecc. ecc.) and i.e. till ten years ago a software like NGX 737 would have been a dream! (I'm stil strange for me the fact that the developpers have succeded in making a such realistic and complete simulation in spite off all the limits inside FSX)...

Best

Andrea

 

Ciao

Andrea

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Hi all,

I agree with most of what is being said. Now that I have retired and on a fixed income, I just pick and choose more . I now just fly in smaller areas and with fewer  planes.

Bob Bazley

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Barry has a point the depth of PMDG products has kept me entertained for a very long time. (over 3 years)

 

if you divide the price I've spent on PMDG products by how many hours I've spent flying them then it works out to be an extremely inexpensive hobby, if you compare it to some other hobbies.

 

In fact I ran some numbers and based on an average of 4 hours flying everyday, 350 days a year, it works out to be just $55 per year.

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renting a Cessna where I live is currently $250 per hour....so by comparison Flight Simming is peanuts

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I do the same thing, but since I use cash for so much, I actually usually get about $25-30 every other month...of course, being in aviation, this all goes towards coffee   :Cuppa:

 

Just wait until you start doing international flying....

 

I have a ziplock bag for each country's currency I fly to... one for euros, one for $NZ, $AUS, Yen, Won. And you'll definitely forget a zippy or bring the wrong one at least once!

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renting a Cessna where I live is currently $250 per hour....so by comparison Flight Simming is peanuts

 

Amen, brother.  I always chuckle a bit when people start comparing the cost of simming to real world flying.  As a pilot and former aircraft owner I guarantee the difference is orders of magnitude no matter where you live.

 

As hobbies go, simming is still a relatively affordable one.  That doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for those on fixed incomes, as I'm soon to join that esteemed group.  But you still have to put things into perspective.  At a premium level, the hobby can certainly be somewhat costly, but so can any other when you go for top-shelf.

 

Scott

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