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Hi,

I am currently an FSX user and have been for years, but have been still thinking about making the change over to X-Plane 10.  I tried once before with X-Plane 9 but it simply was no where close to the features I had in FSX.  Now that XP-10 is out, I thought I might give it another chance, especially after seeing some cool videos on Youtube. 

 

I have a good collection of addon scenery from Orbx for FSX but it takes so long to get new areas released (especially in my home area).  One of my favorite addon aircraft companies is A2A Simulations which features realistic maintenance and care of ownership with their Accusim features.  I read a post in a forum that said A2A won't develop any planes for X-Plane because they feel the X-Plane flight models are not accurate enough for A2A to work the design of their own aircraft with the existing X-Plane flight models. That seemed like quite a jolt to X-Planes flight model accuracy.  Do any addon planes feature the accuracy of A2A?

 

Another thing that frustrates me with FSX is that even with accurate landclass and accurately realistic roads they overlay non-existing fake streets and roads already painted on the FSX textures.  This is very unrealistic. However, I read briefly that X-Plane doesn't even use accurate landclass at all and its scenery detail is just based on rough placement of features such as roads and streets except for main roads and highways.

Lastly, does version 10 even have AI aircraft of different seasons?

 

Can anyone shed some imput on these points I've read about as to their truth and whether or not it's worth switching over or should I wait for version 11?  Any advice will be greatly appreciated. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Regards,  Tom

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There's no reason to switch...and you wouldn't want to anyway because each sim has its good and bad points. Learn about how to make X-plane look good for YOU and how to use it well...and then use BOTH sims depending upon which mood you are in.

 

Neither sim is good enough on it's own...the grass is not greener, just different.

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There's nothing wrong with having more than one simulator in use.

 

It's not about switching, it's about enjoying what each platform may have to offer.  I currently have FSX, DCS, and XP10 all installed, and pop back and forth between them.  They each have their individual strengths that makes it hard to 'write off' any of them.

 

As of late, I've been using XP10 as my primary platform.

 

The things I've been enjoying:

 

- Flying in-depth helicopters.  The Dreamfoil B407 and R22 are works of art, and handle magnificently.

- Flying through mountain scenery. Spruced up by HD Mesh v3 (freeware), the crispness and resolution of the scenery is incredible.  There's no visibly blurred textures on distant slopes, such as in FSX.

- Cloud shadows. I only ran P3Dv2 for a little while shortly after release, so as a FSX user, I'm now finding out how amazing cloud shadows are.

- Very, very smooth sensation of flight.  Regardless of the debate about which flight model is better, the smoothness inherent in XP10 is amazing. And I have a very well behaved and good performing installation of FSX.

- Freeware airports. The community that has grown around XP has standardized itself around a handful of object libraries; this has allowed a flourishing freeware scenery community.  Some of the releases are on par with FTX.

- OSM based scenery.  When it's good, it's very good.

 

The things I don't enjoy (to some degree):

 

- Clouds come with far more of a performance hit in XP10 than in FSX.  I can easily handle fully socked in, soupy thick weather in FSX with barely a slowdown.  Not so much in XP10.

- I pretty much only ever fly VFR in my sims, and for that purpose in FSX, I always found the default ATC to be acceptable. Not so much in XP10.

- Lack of choice when it comes to weather engines.

- OSM based scenery, when flying somewhere without any.  When it's not there, it's simply not there. To be fair though, it's something that anyone can help rectify, and I'm surprised at how much OSM data is indeed there, even in my part of the world.

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Hi Tom,

 

For accuracy on aircraft, I just read an interesting article in PC Pilot re Flight Factor's 757 Professional, officially endorsed by Boeing.

It seems this could be heading in the same direction as PMDG in terms of accuracy, feel, level of detail  etc.

 

You can check it out here....

http://store.x-plane.org/Boeing-757-Professional_p_273.html

 

I don't have XP10 but this one did catch my eye.

 

Regards,

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I use both. When I want to fly VFR, props, or short flights, I use X-Plane. They both have their ups and downs. X-Plane has a steeper learning curve, though. It takes some time to get used to it when coming from FSX.

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Have to agree with the others when it comes to (happily) using two sims. You will have a lot of money and still current models running in FSX so you can try X-Plane and decide whether to 'grow' it or not. For your short after-work flight, FSX will still be around. Ready to go.

 

A lot of the things really enhancing XP come as free and donationware so trying won't cost you a lot. Once you are feeling confident enough, head for some payware items and add to the small but growing market. After all, this is what lets companies join the game. :smile:

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Definitely run both.  If nothing else, you're probably going from a mature FSX setup, but will be starting from scratch with a much less mature XP-10 installation, and until you get set comfortable with XP, you'll want to be able to escape back to "just go fly".

 

I'd mostly agree with Jimmy's list, except as a P3D user cloud shadows are not such a novelty and I'd add to the dislikes "an interface only a mother could love".

 

Structurally, it's great (reservations about the flight model aside), and there's a lot of stuff I would really like to see replicated in P3D (e.g. World2XP, which is jaw dropping when combined with G2XPL), but whether you, personally, should switch comes down to content.  Can you find the content, at sufficient level of quality, to do the flying you want to do?  If you can, great, if not, well you always have that mature FSX setup waiting for you.

 

I've not been on XP10 that long, but I'm quite liking it (unlike XP9 which I uninstalled in disgust!), the things that stop me using it more right now is coverage of the airfields I want to fly in good quality (good ol' UK2000 keep me happy on the UK fields front in P3D), the relative scarcity of truly top-notch A2A/PMDG level aircraft (though this is improving) and the lack of decent weather/ATC engines.  I'm sure most of my reservations will be dealt with in time and my XP10 to P3D flight time ratio will improve, but for now I'm happy to flit between the two.

 

So yeah, that's a long way of saying "buy it, just expect to use both for the foreseeable future"...  :lol:

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Having recently built up an X-plane ecosystem installation alongside FSX I would concur with others that having FSX, DCS and X-Plane is a great match, especially as X-Plane seems to offer more general quality scenery with HD Mesh, World2XP and G2XP which for me in the UK means photo scenery without looking at flat wall paper when down low.

 

PFPX, Navigraph and Plan-G work with it and there is a collection of high end aircraft that complement the high end aircraft in FSX and I seem to get high FPS with more complex scenery than FSX. What I really like is 64 bit means that I don't have to use Scenery manager to choose in advance which scenery I want in FSX.

 

What I would like is Aivlasoft EFB, Opus (FSRealWX is not bad) and Vox ATC or equivalents to work with X-Plane as well as some improvements such as seasons and a better default sound engine as it lags far behind FSX and DCS in immersion.

 

However with all its deficiencies X-Plane and its ecosystem can have some unbeatable moments and with that in mind I would well worth recommending it as a must purchase to another simmer.

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sound engine as it lags far behind FSX and DCS in immersion.

 

The sound immersion in X-Plane was recently improved with the release of "SoundMaxx" it's a completely new immersion level.

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The sound immersion in X-Plane was recently improved with the release of "SoundMaxx" it's a completely new immersion level.

Yeah I saw that, I guess what I'm saying is that apart from developers who have done their own sound engines it can be pretty poor compared to FSX and its sound cones.

 

Maybe its the planes but that is my impression, could be wrong.

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Should I switch ...

 

That's always going to be the million dollar question. I did purchase X-Plane a few months and it does take a little researching to find some incredible free scenery 

 

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I did also invest in the FF757 & JarDesign A330. Both good aircraft. I still fly in FSX (DX10) as well as x-Plane and enjoy my time in both.

 

Richard

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World2XP, G2XP, I can't run them on my old notebook. But nevertheless I have good reasons to enjoy XP. Skymaxx, Soundmaxx, recent navdata, configurable views accessible through my num keys, good airport scenery, just to name a few. And a ton of well done payware aircraft.

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Being using xp10 for a few weeks now but still have FSX too much money invested and XP10 is far from as nice looking specially for those VFR flights. Even got teh carenado 58 and 72-500 i think it was so now to get it set up the way I like it.

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XP10 is far from as nice looking specially for those VFR flights.

 

Depends on where you fly.  I very recently did a set of VFR helicopter flights  in the B407, where I hopped my way from CYEG to CYXS through the rockies.  Disregarding the lack of airport scenery for CYXS, the low altitude trip through the mountains was absolutely amazing.

 

Once I finish playing with all the new XP toys I bought in the July 4th sale, I'll be continuing on to CYPR. ^_^

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Same thoughts on this subject, as JIMMY RFR. I do a lot of Rocky Mtn. flights. Did a lot in real life too, as it's the area I live in. I switch back & forth all the time, between X-Plane 10 & FSX with Orbx. Both sims can look sensational, depending where, and the time of day, such as sunset.  XP is very good at portraying the mountains & deserts of the western USA.  

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Both sims can look sensational, depending where, and the time of day, such as sunset. XP is very good at portraying the mountains & deserts of the western USA.

 

While I do agree that the Orbx products are quite good, especially their newer regions such as NCA, I feel that XP is a step above in the mountains.  The mesh and the textures are just so much crisper at a distance, it's adds a heck of a lot.  I'm still enjoying FSX, don't get me wrong, but I never realized what I was missing!

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Thanks for all the advice, guys.

I've made my decision and I will definitely get XP and use it right along FSX!

                                                                                                Regards,    Tom

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You won't be disappointed.  I have X Plane 10 and Prepar3d v2.5 and find myself using X Plane more often due to the fact that I fly in the southwest US and enjoy the great sunrises, sunsets, and night lighting.

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Thanks for all the advice, guys.

I've made my decision and I will definitely get XP and use it right along FSX!

Regards, Tom

Great decision - I use both XP10 and P3D 2.5 professional. If you ever want to fly in the UK W2XP GB Pro and Flight1/RC Simulations photoscenery will give you probably the most realistic and accurate portrayal of England & Wales available in a home sim - I am learning to fly in RL and use it to practice VFR. See these two links

 

South Lake District (mountainous)

 

https://youtu.be/sjATCkvvKGA

 

East/South Coast - a little slow to get going but then shows a number of towns/ports, estuary to the River Thames, white cliffs of Dover etc in quick succession

 

https://youtu.be/uq5pS7BLuwU

 

cheers

Peter

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That looks fantastic Peter.

If they'd have covered Scotland and Ireland too I would have been well tempted stumped up the cash for the F1 photo scenery.

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That looks fantastic Peter.

If they'd have covered Scotland and Ireland too I would have been well tempted stumped up the cash for the F1 photo scenery.

 

Sim Heaven generate European country sceneries from W2XP and they can be downloaded from here:

 

http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3262

 

I've got UK & Ireland installed (not UK VFR Pro) and it just needs the photo scenery underneath and you are set  :wub:

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As both a P3D and X-Plane user, my thoughts on X-Plane are as follows;
(Note a lot of what I say about P3D is also true for FSX)

 

+++ NO OOMS! REJOICE! WOOHOO! 64 BIT I LOVE YOU!

+ The flight model is fantastic. Its very fluid and feels far more responsive, much better than P3D (although there are some top quality P3D addons that come very close).

+ The Carenado stuff seems much better in X-Plane to me than in P3D, so there's a bunch of decent GA aircraft to buy. (with the Reality Expansion Pack addon taking them even further)

+ There is a huge community of free addons, from utilities to airport sceneries to world meshes; a lot of which are of very high quality.

 

- I found X-Plane to have some pretty jarring limitations related to multi-threaded CPU usage once I started to pack it full of all the great free addons (plus some nice payware ones).

This is basically a gamebreaker for me and is why I haven't touched X-Plane in a while. Maybe the new Vulkan API for Open GL will help with this (I have no idea).

- The interface is difficult to get used to, but its mostly ok once you do.
- The lack of a weather engine as good as Active Sky Next sucks, though I hear FS Global have something in the works.

- A lot of the autogen just looks... really unconvincing and fake to me. Although I run P3D with ORBX regions so it has some hard competition there.

For me, X-Plane isn't quite ready yet. That being said, it has soooo much potential, and a lot of people are digging it already. I suggest at least giving it a shot for yourself.

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Sim Heaven generate European country sceneries from W2XP and they can be downloaded from here:

 

http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3262

 

I've got UK & Ireland installed (not UK VFR Pro) and it just needs the photo scenery underneath and you are set  :wub:

Yep thanks, I've had it in the past, but the photo stuff is no longer available.

Anyway I'm quite happy with the default+ Andras's stuff, looks good enough at FLxxx for a tube jockey like myself. ;)

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While I do agree that the Orbx products are quite good, especially their newer regions such as NCA, I feel that XP is a step above in the mountains.  The mesh and the textures are just so much crisper at a distance, it's adds a heck of a lot.  I'm still enjoying FSX, don't get me wrong, but I never realized what I was missing!

 

It looks better at a distance, but close-up, FSX/P3D use much higher resolution meshes. Even the "Ultra" mesh for X-Plane (the one that requires a 6GB video card, 32GB of RAM and a 6 GHz CPU) is only 30m, while OrrbX is 5m.

 

As for the question whether you should switch? No, but you should definitely buy X-Plane and install it alongside your current sim(s). 

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