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I Don't 'Get' the A2A Piper Cub

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I am a GA flyer normally, but of late I have become an avid bushflyer, particularly in lovely Idaho. There I fly the Cessna 185 (Bush tyres), the 207 Stationair and the BN-2 Islander. I just bought the Cub from A2A, half for Heidi to be honest, and the other half because I did hear what a great bush plane the Cub makes.

 

But after a few flights I'm left a bit underwhelmed. What does the Cub do that other planes can't? Its slow as heck, and has very little power, at times I feel like I'm flying a motor glider.

 

What's the attraction, of the A2A model in particular? I have their 172 and Cherokee so understand the depth of modelling.... I feel the Cub is a bit lost on me. Maybe its because I'm British, and I can't remember ever having seen one in the flesh.... in other words is the Cub's attraction mainly nostalgia?

 

In summary ... Why is the Cub better than a Maule, 185 or SuperCub?

 

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I believe most consider the Super Cub a far better bush plane. The Cub is underpowered and really slow. It's not really a bush plane, it's more of an antique. Most like it for nostalgic reasons, as anyone who learnt to fly in the mid 20th century probably has flown in one.

 

The A2A Cub wwas their first GA/civilian AccuSim plane so it's quite special in that regard. Their newer Cessnas and Pipers offer more detailed simulations and they model more "practical" aircraft that you can actually fly cross country with.

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I suggest the super cub ultra from FS addon. While not as pretty as the A2A, it has an amazing flight model. Brake stands and super STOL. Very fun, you can do most of the tricks you see on youtube that they do in the real thing.

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The A2A Cub is fantastic because it models flight in actual air so well.  It's not a bush plane.  It's a low and slow sightseer.  It's not for going anywhere.  It's for flying.  It's for setting down in any open space you find and then taking off again.  It's basically an ultralight with a little more speed.  

 

The C185 is one of Carenado's best planes, but it's flight dynamics are still inferior to the A2A Cub.  The 207 is not good at all in terms of flight dynamics.  The Islander is a fun airplane.  I like it.  Simple.  Not very detailed flight modeling again.

 

You get the A2A Cub because you want to experience flight with a good degree of faithfulness to what it is actually like to fly a little STOL airplane.  

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It's pretty obvious that the real-life Piper Cub would not be for you, slow and under-powered (the Cub, not you).  So, the A2A Cub simulation, being a very accurate rendition of the real plane, isn't to your liking.  There's nothing wrong with that, "to each his own."

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I don't like it - been hangered for years - too slow

 

That's nothing bad about A2A though - just the plane is boring

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I didn't know there was a Super Cub about ... Though I will miss the Accusim, I suppose AccuFeel will have to stand in for that! Will look into it.

 

I'll also miss Heidi, I really wish some developer would create a passenger program like that you could slot into any plane, it would make longer trips more interesting. You wouldn't have to wait for fsPassengers to spit numbers at you at the end of a flight, you'd know straight away how your passengers really felt about your flying :)

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Have a look at Realairs Scout package, three models for $16.

The Decathlon in particular is a favourite of mine, a  fully aerobatic tail dragger without flaps is just great fun. especially landing

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Have a look at Realairs Scout package, three models for $16.

The Decathlon in particular is a favourite of mine, a fully aerobatic tail dragger without flaps is just great fun. especially landing

+1 RealAir Scout

Interested in your new love of Idaho, Mithras - presume we're talking ORBX CRM here (?) What are your favourite airports/airfields. Without meaning to, I always seem to fly 'over' or around Idaho and have yet to discover its best spots.

 

If you ever get up the BC coast/ Tongass Fjords way, you'll find the A2A Cub on floats is great for SPBs on small lakes and inlets you can't squeeze the C185 into.

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It's OK - the Cub doesn't get you either...  B)

 

More seriously - understood.  I happen to love the Cub but not all the time.  I have to be in the right frame of mind for it.

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Because you can do this. Now try doing that in any other bush plane !

 

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Because you can do this.

 

Amazing stuff, beerwolfe!  But that's a Super Cub, not a J-3.  So to try this at home, you'd need the Flight Replicas Super Cub Ultra, not the A2A.

 

To repeat one of the points above - you can put tundra tires on the J-3, but that doesn't make it a bush plane.  

 

'Cause it's not...

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I don't like it - been hangered for years - too slow

 

That's nothing bad about A2A though - just the plane is boring

Same reason I never purchased it. I wouldn't mind flying one in real life as I am usually happy to fly anything I can get my hands on, but it's just a little too slow for me to use in the sim. In real life I enjoy low and slow flying since I have plenty of stuff to look at, but in the sim, even with fantastic scenery to look at its just not the same and can't hold my attention for more than a few minutes.

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Interested in your new love of Idaho, Mithras - presume we're talking ORBX CRM here (?) What are your favourite airports/airfields. Without meaning to, I always seem to fly 'over' or around Idaho and have yet to discover its best spots.

Hi!

My interest in Idaho started when I was looking at You Tube videos of the BN-2 Islander and found this one, I think it is making a landing at Pistol Creek ranch. It is pretty incredible, skimming. Tree tops and the sides of cliffs, before plunging into the valley to follow the winding river between stands of forest, and then, around a bend is a gap in the trees, and the pilot puts the plane through the gap to land at the rough strip.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pt2qbUNo1ao

 

I bought CRM, but although Pistol Creek isnt on there, all the other strips are, and they are just as. Tough to approach, often needing a winding canyon approach. After that I looked on You Tube for anything marked 'Idaho bush flying' and was impressed by the incredibly flying, incredible airstrips and beautiful videos.

 

Of massive influence was a series of professional flight videos of stunning quality which break down bush flying into its constituent parts:

 

Backcountry Aviation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CrPJac80W9Y

 

I've been wanting to tell someone about these videos for weeks!

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Have a look at Realairs Scout package, three models for $16.

The Decathlon in particular is a favourite of mine, a  fully aerobatic tail dragger without flaps is just great fun. especially landing

 

 

I agree, excellent value for the money. The models hold up extremely well in spite of their age.

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I was very happy customer when Cub was released. That love didn´t last, it so slow. Now Cub is collecting dust in my hangar. I never went to A2A after that, but obviously I should and will do that.

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For me the attraction is that it is a historic plane. The Cub is an icon. I like the low and slow flying you can do with this little bird.

 

It's basically an ultralight with a little more speed.

 

What kind of ultralights do you mean? The WT9 Dynamic I fly is quite a lot faster than a Cub  :P

 

I don't like it - been hangered for years - too slow

That's nothing bad about A2A though - just the plane is boring

 

Have you ever flown one for real? I haven't, but I doubt I would find it boring. I find flying the simulated Cub very easeful! I have done a tour in the cub, following highway 5 from north to south. Plenty of time to enjoy the scenery  :lol:

 

But what attracts me to the Cub most is its developer. The flight model feels extremely good. As said, I've never flown a Cub for real, but looking at how A2A develop their planes I'd rather fly this slower Cub than any other faster equivalent of the Cub made by other developers. Currently I only fly A2A planes (awaiting the Realair Legacy and Duke for Prepar3D as well). 

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Hi!

My interest in Idaho started when I was looking at You Tube videos of the BN-2 Islander and found this one, I think it is making a landing at Pistol Creek ranch. It is pretty incredible, skimming. Tree tops and the sides of cliffs, before plunging into the valley to follow the winding river between stands of forest, and then, around a bend is a gap in the trees, and the pilot puts the plane through the gap to land at the rough strip.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pt2qbUNo1ao

 

I bought CRM, but although Pistol Creek isnt on there, all the other strips are, and they are just as. Tough to approach, often needing a winding canyon approach. After that I looked on You Tube for anything marked 'Idaho bush flying' and was impressed by the incredibly flying, incredible airstrips and beautiful videos.

 

Of massive influence was a series of professional flight videos of stunning quality which break down bush flying into its constituent parts:

 

Backcountry Aviation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CrPJac80W9Y

 

I've been wanting to tell someone about these videos for weeks!

Awesome video, thanks for bringing it to my attention. :-)

 

B.

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I'm in the U.S., so "ultralight" means FAR Part 103, which sets a max speed of 63 mph, so, yes, the Cub is a bit faster.

And you don't need the Super Cub to do that kind of bush flying and off airstrip landings. The A2A Cub excels at those. I've flown it for hundreds of landings on the wonderful little bush strips along the Middle Fork of the Salmon in Idaho. I've flown the FR Super Cub as well, and it's no longer in my hangar. I like the Realair Scout, but it's no longer in my hangar either.

My Chief is a similar style of aircraft, and I suppose that flying it so much makes me a bit picky about what simulated aircraft I fly. It might be different for sim pilots without any RL experience in similar aircraft, but I have no interest in sim planes that aren't very realistic, and there really isn't any low and slow, bush, or classic flyer that comes close to the A2A Cub at capturing RL flight dynamics.

I guess I just don't "get" this concern over speed. What's your hurry? You're not actually going anywhere, you know. Simulated flight is more about time than it is about speed, and you can fly the Cub for just as much or as little time as any other aircraft.

Boring? Really? How is faster simulated flight any less boring than slower simulated flight? How can realistic flight dynamics that accurately models the intricacies of the interaction between wing and air in takeoff, landing, and all aspects of flight be "boring"? Why would anyone who feels that way like flight swimming in the first place?

 

Cruising at speed at altitude, particularly in a plane without good flight modeling, so that it flies on rails, when I'm not actually going anywhere....that's boring. Taking off and landing...those are the fun parts...and you can do those a lot more often in a Cub than you can in just about any other plane, because you can do those just about anywhere.

 

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the A2A Cub is boring just isn't flying it right!  :-)

 

Take off from Clam Harbor on the west side of Orcas Is. and fly to all the wonderful little OzX airstrips in the San Juans with door and windows open to see the sights.  Take off from Darrington and follow the river north to Concrete, with a detour up the eastern canyons to the little high mountain lakes (you'll need to plan your climbs well to make it up to them without circling), and then on to Israel's Farm and West Wind, and stay just a few hundred feet above the river.  Take off from McCall or Lemhi Co in Idaho and fly the Salmon river, never getting your wings above the canyon tops, and land at every little bush strip you find (and there are plenty of them).  Bonus points for never getting more than 200 ft agl, even when landing!!  

 

Boring!!  Hah!!

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I guess I just don't "get" this concern over speed. What's your hurry? You're not actually going anywhere, you know. Simulated flight is more about time than it is about speed, and you can fly the Cub for just as much or as little time as any other aircraft.

 

Well put and when you stop to think about it, if you are still simming after realizing that you aren't really going anywhere, then you definitely have a strong enough interest.  My wife had asked me a long time ago what the appeal was in flight simulation.  I told her that "I've loved aircraft my whole life and I'd always wanted to pilot an aircraft but with my weak vision, that idea got shot down really quick.  I could never become an astronaut, be a pilot for an airline so this was the next best thing to experiencing what real world pilots do.  Yeah sure, I teach myself how to do something I couldn't do in real life, but at some point in time, it becomes relaxing and fun.  I'm not hurting anyone with what I do". Of course, I capped off the conversation with, "honey, it's better than drugs".

 

I still love "low and slow" but have more of an interest in jets.  Overall, I love it all.

 

-Jim

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I don't like slow planes in the sim or in real life. Never found anything interesting about cubs or champs besides a very low operating cost,which in the sim world is meaningless. 

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I couldn't agree more, Griphos! A2A's Cub is one of my all-time favorite FSX airplanes. Enjoy flying rather than programming flight computers!

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