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FSLabs Concorde Released

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Will try this and see what happens (I get the intermittent "lag" when resizeing the panels) even though I don't run in that high resolution. This seems like a really great find!

Richard

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Is there a way to get a refund if I'd run into OOM problems? I don't own the aircraft yet as I don't want to spend money on something that I know will slaughter my sim :P

 

Given FSLabs now include a recommended resolution of 1920x1080 I think you know the answer to that question if you try to run it on a 4K monitor.

 

OTOH, if you have a 1920x1080 display the only way you'll get OOMs is with scenery (and other) settings way too high.

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How is FPS, better or worse than PMDG 777 and Tu-144?

FPS is not bad, but overall smoothness is not comparable to PMDG...

Concorde is really dated product, so i suppose quality and optimization are on totally different levels.

 

But joy of flying is waaaay higher using Concorde - this is beyond comparision :-)

Artur 

I was just going to report that FSX-SE has similar memory spikes as P3D when re-sizing windows and stretching=1. In fact the panel disappears on stretching (A321) and becomes unusable. So I believe its the same for both and must be very old flawed logic shared by both.

 

With stretching=0 there are no more spikes.

 

You might be trying with 1080p which does not show OOMs anyway. The problem manifests with high res monitors.

 

Yes correct, 1920 x 1080

FPS is not bad, but overall smoothness is not comparable to PMDG...

Concorde is really dated product, so i suppose quality and optimization are on totally different levels.

 

But joy of flying is waaaay higher using Concorde - this is beyond comparision :-)

 

It is very smooth for me, I would say at least on par with PMDG products.

Mark   CYYZ      

 

Mark, that would be interesting to know how ur sim is configured.

My FSX ( DX10 ) is perfectly smooth with PMDG, but Concorde VC is a bit jerky.

I'm still trying some tricks and settings to find that sweet spot for Concorde 

Artur 

Given FSLabs now include a recommended resolution of 1920x1080 I think you know the answer to that question if you try to run it on a 4K monitor.

 

OTOH, if you have a 1920x1080 display the only way you'll get OOMs is with scenery (and other) settings way too high.

 

Ok then I was right :Whistle: sadly... My settings aren't that high, it's mainly the scenery and the resolution of 5980*1080 that I'm afraid my sim won't cope with once I throw Concorde X at it.

I guess I'm finally out then.

 

Thanks for the clarification Ray.

How is FPS, better or worse than PMDG 777 and Tu-144?

I actually see quite a bit better performance (framerate/smoothness) with the Concorde-X over the PMDG 777 in P3D.

 

Concorde so far always stays above my locked 30 fps, and on unlimited is usually in the 40's+ FPS.  777 by comparison is my heaviest aircraft on FPS, usually staying in the upper 20's (I actually drop my limit to 27 when flying 777).  Concorde is a dated product in some areas, especially VC compared to the 777, but still a fantastic experience.  And, in her own right, does still look great.  They even modeled the Delta wing flexing on takeoff for example.

 

The biggest issue I had with Concorde was the memory usage, which was through the roof.  Impressively, so far best I can tell, Duke's panel stretching tweak has helped this tremendously, and I have yet to see the huge VAS swings I was seeing before.

Ok then I was right :Whistle: sadly... My settings aren't that high, it's mainly the scenery and the resolution of 5980*1080 that I'm afraid my sim won't cope with once I throw Concorde X at it.

I guess I'm finally out then.

 

Thanks for the clarification Ray.

 

I wish I could test that resolution for you, but I top out at 3440x1440.  I have a hunch that it would be ok if you are fine currently, because I am no longer seeing the huge VAS swings when changing resolutions like I was before disabling panel stretching, but of course have no way to confirm that at your resolution.  I now see with the =0 setting everything load and then minimal VAS difference when jumping up from a 1920x1080 window to a full screen 3440x1440 window... with default settings this would kill the VAS and often OOM.  But, I'm only going from the recommended ~2,000,000 pixels up to ~5,000,000 pixels, and can't confirm if the jump to your ~6,500,000 would scale the same.  Plus, you might already be close to the limit with current planes.

 

So, your safe bet is unfortunately to follow Ray's advice.

 

I am still curious if others with higher resolutions see similar results to what I'm seeing.  It does seem the issue is directly related to the 2D panels as FSLabs said, but the dynamic "stretching" of all those panels was the reason.

Allen, flight sim lover and AA-5 Traveler owner

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Gents,

 

I know I'm referring to FSX:SP2 but I've just landed at Aerosoft Heathrow Xtended late afternoon having approached over central London in gusty and cloudy conditions and after parking at gate 421 I still have 532Mb of VAS remaining.

 

During the taxi out from Terminal 7 at FSDreamteam's JFK it dropped to 900Mb but recovered well after take-off. During cruise-climb it stayed around 1200-1500Mb.

 

So with those two heavyweight airports plus central London scenery on the oldest version of FSX I still had plenty of VAS in reserve. Imagine what P3D can offer! :wink:

 

Armchair-pilot, you might want to think about just using that centre monitor (assuming you have three). That would certainly make Concorde ideal for you. And think about how much time you'd save when flying her. That trip back from JFK? 3h 22m. :wink:

Ray (Cheshire, England).

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Gents,

 

During the taxi out from Terminal 7 at FSDreamteam's JFK it dropped to 900Mb but recovered well after take-off. During cruise-climb it stayed around 1200-1500Mb.

 

That is almost exactly the same VAS figures I see in P3D 3.2 between the same two add-on airports, and also running ORBX Global, Vector and Open LandclassEU. Very pleased with how the Concorde performs!

Jim Barrett

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Armchair-pilot, you might want to think about just using that centre monitor (assuming you have three). That would certainly make Concorde ideal for you. And think about how much time you'd save when flying her. That trip back from JFK? 3h 22m. :wink:

 

I could but the image is just so small, I'm on three 21" monitors. Main reason I bought two other displays was the wide view which improves overall visibility a lot. I'm going to think this through however.

 

So with those two heavyweight airports plus central London scenery on the oldest version of FSX I still had plenty of VAS in reserve. Imagine what P3D can offer! :wink:

 

The problem here is that I don't think that VAS is directly comparable between two different PCs. This is not based on any technical knowledge. It's just a feeling based on the wide range of VAS experiences that different flight simmers seem to have, and I don't think that this is exclusively related to detail settings or computer specification.

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The problem here is that I don't think that VAS is directly comparable between two different PCs. This is not based on any technical knowledge. It's just a feeling based on the wide range of VAS experiences that different flight simmers seem to have, and I don't think that this is exclusively related to detail settings or computer specification.

 

A 4Gb limit is 4Gb whatever the simulator or PC spec. I don't really understand your point. ConcordeX will probably consume the same amount of VAS whether it's FSX or P3D. After all, it has the same views and sub panels. any differences will probably be minor.

 

Obviously scenery and other settings will play an important part in determining how much remains once Concorde is loaded but that's the same for any complex 3rd party aeroplane. It's a question of balance. It's probably impossible to setup the same visual scenario in P3D as it is for FSX.

 

Do you have ConcordeX Christopher? Just curious. I find myself watching the remaining VAS less and less now I know there's plenty in reserve.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Mark, that would be interesting to know how ur sim is configured.

My FSX ( DX10 ) is perfectly smooth with PMDG, but Concorde VC is a bit jerky.

I'm still trying some tricks and settings to find that sweet spot for Concorde 

 

I can post my cfg later on tonight.

Mark   CYYZ      

 

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