I use UT2 and it really ads to the immersion to watch other aircraft line up and wait your turn for ATC clearance. So definitely adds to immersion for me!

 

Default ATC does that too...? (Or doesn't default ATC work with UT2, which I don't own?) Besides, default ATC tells pilots to do something BEFORE they do it while PF3 does it afterwards (because it can't really 'see' the AI.) I rather see a plane get clearance after which I see it take off than a plane getting clearance while they already started rolling. Still waiting for video's to compare the voice quality but the more I read here, the more I think I will stick with default ATC. Or maybe I should download the latest version of ProATC/X to see what it does right now.

 

EDIT

Ah, here it is: the first video of PF3 with examples of the voices:

 

 

Made me LOL actually. What a crap robotic audio that is. Seriously! Doesn't come CLOSE to default ATC. I wouldn't even use this if they gave me 50 bucks, let alone pay for it. To each his own, of course, but I instantly lost all interest in this add-on.

 

 

Would love to see it evolve and to support it wholeheartedly.

 

Me too. Bought is yesterday, works fine.
Slightly robotic voices, some pilots take two deep breaths in between pronouncing their own call-signs, my "pilot" saying "IFR" unnecessarily all the time, but promising.

The thing that makes me wonder is the 13 years that have passed since FS2004, and nobody could even come close to what it had to offer with the voices and fluidity.
I think I need to lift my imaginary hat in front of the Microsoft guys, who could do that more than a decade ago.
So perhaps their sons will do it in 3-4 years from now...

Potroh

Default ATC does that too...? (Or doesn't default ATC work with UT2, which I don't own?) Besides, default ATC tells pilots to do something BEFORE they do it while PF3 does it afterwards (because it can't really 'see' the AI.) I rather see a plane get clearance after which I see it take off than a plane getting clearance while they already started rolling. Still waiting for video's to compare the voice quality but the more I read here, the more I think I will stick with default ATC. Or maybe I should download the latest version of ProATC/X to see what it does right now.

 

EDIT

Ah, here it is: the first video of PF3 with examples of the voices:

 

 

 

Made me LOL actually. What a crap robotic audio that is. Seriously! Doesn't come CLOSE to default ATC. I wouldn't even use this if they gave me 50 bucks, let alone pay for it. To each his own, of course, but I instantly lost all interest in this add-on.

I was fortunate as you are to try a free demo before deciding to purchase-I don't get that luxury with most other products-including ProATC X which I own as well as PFE and RC4

The voices are not perfect but then neither is ProATC callsign usage or the Voxatc synthetic voices which anyway appears to be dead as far as being updated

BW

Jay

 

 

Voxatc synthetic voices which anyway appears to be dead as far as being updated
BW

 

There was a post on the Vox forum that Tegwyn is working on an update. No timeframe but Vox has not been abandoned.

The voices are not perfect but then neither is ProATC callsign usage or the Voxatc synthetic voices which anyway appears to be dead as far as being updated

 

Well, the thing is...:

 

 

The thing that makes me wonder is the 13 years that have passed since FS2004, and nobody could even come close to what it had to offer with the voices and fluidity.

I think I need to lift my imaginary hat in front of the Microsoft guys, who could do that more than a decade ago.

 

 

If MS could do it over a decade ago, why can't developers come up with something at LEAST comparable? Did Aces/MS do something sooooo special that it is impossible to get a similar result? Default ATC never ever ever ever ever sounds robotic to me. It sounds real. As real as it gets.  :wink:  How the heck did they do that? The main problem with default ATC is that they vector you all over the place: why doesn't an add-on developer create an ATC add-on that makes use of what the sim already offers? Not a new standalone ATC add-on but an upgrade to what we have already? Again, none of the existing ATC add ons come close to default ATC when it comes to the audio. And for me personally (it's very subjective) bad voices totally kill the immersion. I still prefer default ATC by far despite of all its shortcomings.

I still prefer default ATC by far despite of all its shortcomings.

 

Phew, for me default ATC is a joke regarding realism, at least in Europe.

However, currently ATC is a matter of accepting compromises. You can't have everything, as we are just learning again from this discussion. As far as I know all currently available programs (Voxatc, PF3, PROATC/X) are one developer projects. Probably none of them has any financial resources regarding current state of voice technology.

Buying e.g. two high quality voice sets for Voxatc costs more than Voxatc itself.

 

Maybe a bigger development team should start an ATC project. I asked Aerosoft about that a while ago and they responded, the expected sales numbers make this next to impossible.

 

Mike

 

 

If MS could do it over a decade ago, why can't developers come up with something at LEAST comparable? Did Aces/MS do something sooooo special that it is impossible to get a similar result? And for me personally (it's very subjective) bad voices totally kill the immersion. I still prefer default ATC by far despite of all its shortcomings.

 

If I remember well, it was Dave Denhart's work in the FS2004 (and FSX) times. Quite brilliantly done I must confess...

FS9-FSX uses a compressed voice database, easy on performance, so neither the 4-5 robots (a la VOX) nor the stitching of endless quantity of wav files (the others) works that well.

 

You are absolutely right and even the best ones (closest to the real procedures) have the auditve part right, so it indeed kills immersion.

 

Potroh

Well, the thing is...:

 

 

 

If MS could do it over a decade ago, why can't developers come up with something at LEAST comparable? Did Aces/MS do something sooooo special that it is impossible to get a similar result? Default ATC never ever ever ever ever sounds robotic to me. It sounds real. As real as it gets.  :wink:  How the heck did they do that? The main problem with default ATC is that they vector you all over the place: why doesn't an add-on developer create an ATC add-on that makes use of what the sim already offers? Not a new standalone ATC add-on but an upgrade to what we have already? Again, none of the existing ATC add ons come close to default ATC when it comes to the audio. And for me personally (it's very subjective) bad voices totally kill the immersion. I still prefer default ATC by far despite of all its shortcomings.

 

The voices in default ATC are good, I admit, but the implementation of ATC is beyond horrible. I was flying a star approach last night in Pro ATC, and I could see on the Pro ATC map that an AI aircraft was ahead of me on the ILS. The distance was closing, and Pro ATC asked the AI aircraft to increase it's speed to increase our separation on the arrival runway which is the way it would be done in the real world. . Something like that would never happen in default ATC. Having learned to fly in the real world ATC system, nothing comes close to PATC in my opinion. 

VATSIM/IVAO?

I was hoping this wouldnt have robot voices... 

 

 

Phew, for me default ATC is a joke regarding realism, at least in Europe.

 

 

 

The voices in default ATC are good, I admit, but the implementation of ATC is beyond horrible.

 

O, yes, absolutely agree. But for my personal use, I mainly fly VFR, it is the best. If you are into airliners it's a totally different story. I do however sometimes fly IFR with my Legacy and then I'd like to use ATC but usually cancel IFR after taking off and switch to flight following again. And even when I do fly an approach according to the charts I in fact do it on my own and let ATC think I am doing a regular circuit approach. Anyway, I don't want to give the impression default ATC is very good: I am mainly talking about the voices. If default ATC was really good we wouldn't be looking for an ATC add-on.  :wink:

Default ATC does that too...? (Or doesn't default ATC work with UT2, which I don't own?) Besides, default ATC tells pilots to do something BEFORE they do it while PF3 does it afterwards (because it can't really 'see' the AI.) I rather see a plane get clearance after which I see it take off than a plane getting clearance while they already started rolling. Still waiting for video's to compare the voice quality but the more I read here, the more I think I will stick with default ATC. Or maybe I should download the latest version of ProATC/X to see what it does right now.

 

EDIT

Ah, here it is: the first video of PF3 with examples of the voices:

 

 

Made me LOL actually. What a crap robotic audio that is. Seriously! Doesn't come CLOSE to default ATC. I wouldn't even use this if they gave me 50 bucks, let alone pay for it. To each his own, of course, but I instantly lost all interest in this add-on.

That video will probably do more harm than good. The older voices sound much more realistic. Once you understand how PFE works, it's an excellent ATC add-on.

 

I've often wondered why there has not been an update to default ATC. Editvoicepack is a nice enhancement, but we need someone to fix the bugs. The default ATC is actually very good when it works.

 

As I wrote many years ago about FS2004 and ATC. I thought back then that it would never reach the level of FU3. I can conclude the same thing for FSX & P3D v3.

    

I had PFE and can tell you PF3 is very much more polished and has features like the warp and voice guidance that PFE didn't. I use UT2 and it really ads to the immersion to watch other aircraft line up and wait your turn for ATC clearance. So definitely adds to immersion for me! Loving this program-no add on is perfect but this one works well enough for me and the customer support forum is top notch and transparent which is refreshingly

pleasant!Would love to see it evolve and to support it wholeheartedly.

Jay

Warp feature is available in PFE, what is not available in PFE is the ability to add frequencies.

Default ATC does that too...? (Or doesn't default ATC work with UT2, which I don't own?) Besides, default ATC tells pilots to do something BEFORE they do it while PF3 does it afterwards (because it can't really 'see' the AI.) I rather see a plane get clearance after which I see it take off than a plane getting clearance while they already started rolling. Still waiting for video's to compare the voice quality but the more I read here, the more I think I will stick with default ATC. Or maybe I should download the latest version of ProATC/X to see what it does right now.

 

EDIT

Ah, here it is: the first video of PF3 with examples of the voices:

 

 

Made me LOL actually. What a crap robotic audio that is. Seriously! Doesn't come CLOSE to default ATC. I wouldn't even use this if they gave me 50 bucks, let alone pay for it. To each his own, of course, but I instantly lost all interest in this add-on.

 

I've just finished a video to demonstrate the voices etc. But as youtube quoted 10 hours to upload it I'll have to wait until tomorrow to start that process.

 

Did you have "Faster ATC Taxi Instructions" checked?

"Faster readback of taxi instructions" checked?

"Simulate radio coms" checked

"Radio noise variation" checked

and the slider for radio noise a bit less than the slider for ATC volume.

 

Do that and you should be fine.

IMHO, PFE blows away default ATC. The one feature that I really enjoy in every flight is the different accents that you hear depending on where you are flying. Default has the same boring voices. Default does have the ability to request a different approach, but with PFE, I can request direct to the airport and shoot a different approach and then contact the tower for landing clearance.

 

For those who see no value in an ATC add-on, PFE or PF3, should be seriously evaluated before making a final decision.

IMHO, PFE blows away default ATC. The one feature that I really enjoy in every flight is the different accents that you hear depending on where you are flying. Default has the same boring voices. Default does have the ability to request a different approach, but with PFE, I can request direct to the airport and shoot a different approach and then contact the tower for landing clearance.

 

For those who see no value in an ATC add-on, PFE or PF3, should be seriously evaluated before making a final decision.

If you want to fly outside of N America the default atc is an absolute no no. It's procedures, terminology etc are completely wrong.

Default ATC does that too...? (Or doesn't default ATC work with UT2, which I don't own?) Besides, default ATC tells pilots to do something BEFORE they do it while PF3 does it afterwards (because it can't really 'see' the AI.) I rather see a plane get clearance after which I see it take off than a plane getting clearance while they already started rolling. Still waiting for video's to compare the voice quality but the more I read here, the more I think I will stick with default ATC. Or maybe I should download the latest version of ProATC/X to see what it does right now.

 

EDIT

Ah, here it is: the first video of PF3 with examples of the voices:

 

 

 

Made me LOL actually. What a crap robotic audio that is. Seriously! Doesn't come CLOSE to default ATC. I wouldn't even use this if they gave me 50 bucks, let alone pay for it. To each his own, of course, but I instantly lost all interest in this add-on.

 

Obviously when I can get my video up and running I'll post the link here.

#jvan E: If when you watch it you make any suggestion that the voices are robotic I will personally shoot you at dawn :Shame On You:

You and other will be amazed. I just think you didn't use the correct settings.